POLL: Should we negotiate with Islamic State?

Agreed about negotiations, but disagreed about carpet-bombing. Our technology is a lot better than it was 69 years ago. Smart bombs and missiles are much more precise, and deadly, than "dumb bombs" as we've proved in the Iraq War and the War on Terror.

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Hellfire missiles are more cost effective too.

 

You're advocating "fight fire with fire", a euphemism for us to act just like the terrorists by mass murder of innocent people. Besides saving our own asses through the murder of millions of innocent men, women and children, we would help the terrorists win the ideological war by destroying our own Constitution and culture and become just like them.

 

I think WWII was a prime example.

 

Meh, I think an H3 Fission weapon would do a better job. I like glass, might as well turn their cities into glass museums.

 

It would be akin to killing an entire classroom of children with a hand grenade to kill a spider.

 

Why are you guys wanting your country to do this at all?

Haven't got had enough expensive wars?

You don't really think this is a necessary war do you?

 

Fight fire with fire has nothing to do with it. I'm not talking about terrorizing them to get them to do something I want. More like euthanizing a dangerous dog. And it's not like I'm putting him down because he bit one guy either, I've read all the books and tried training him, I've taken him to the professionals, $h!t I even had that creepy little dog whisperer dude try but he just won't learn.

Seriously, what route would you take?

You told me you are 58, and a marine retired in 1998, but you didn't mention whether you'd spent any time in the middle east.

 

Incorrect. You are advocating killing all the dogs in the neighborhood because of one dangerous dog. Nukes are indiscriminate; they kill everyone regardless of age, gender, religion, innocence or any other factor.

 

Yeah but children don't behead taxi drivers.

 

I make immediately the premises that I talk for myself, at personal level, since the left Italian government are known for their negotiations with terrorists in case Italians have kidnapped, so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that our Prime Minister Renzi will allow our diplomats to negotiate with the Islamic State in case an Italian will be kidnapped.

This said, I consider wrong to negotiate with terrorists, in any case.

Furthermore, this "Islamic State" is not so clear as for structure and command chain. Is this "Caliph" for real entitled to negotiate for the entire Islamic State? Are we sure?

 

Correct, so why nuke them just to kill those that do murder innocent taxi drivers and others?

 

They support an ideology that keeps women under wraps, Homosexuals stoned, and the death penalty could be warranted for drinking alcohol.

Seems radical to me.

Let's also not forget the whole infidels thing either.

 

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To use nuclear weapons in the region [insane perspective, but let's talk about it] would mean to make radiation reach also Israel, and not in a little measure, so you would observe the paradox that the United States, to disintegrate the Islamic State, will condemn to death many Israelis ...

Furthermore, the only Muslim nuclear power, Pakistan, could have something to say about.

 

There are ways around radiation, hyper-accelerate a titanium rod and slam it into earth.

It would clear a very large area and no radiation. (We have this technology now)

Problem solved.

 

Yes, kinetic shells could be useful in this case. Anyway remember that this kind of weapon is not that accurate. It's more indicated to destroy wide industrial or urban areas, or in alternative a wide military installation. But, as usual in asymmetric wars, the buddies of the Caliph are not concentrated in areas easy to detect.

 

So, that justifies murdering everyone who doesn't believe that way? I disagree that nuking the innocent along with the guilty is the "American way".

 

They are like termites, sometimes it's better to just burn the house down rather than spending excessive amounts to fix it.

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I never said it was the "American" way. It's the "Human" way.

 

The Nuclear option is out. Maybe we should just pull out and let them kill each other off. These people are a bunch of radical religious barbarian maniacs. Let them have at it.

 

Is it the American way to intentionally murder innocent men, women and children?

 

Yeah, just like it was the Romans, Persians, Gauls, Spartans, Athenians, Egyptians, Native Americans, the Chinese, Mongols, etc.

As previously stated, the "Human" way.

People are a resource, when at war, you destroy the other sides resources.

 

Just so we're clear here, you are saying the United States and the American people are no better than and no worse than barbarians. Is that correct?

 

Max, you CAN'T TELL them apart. The regular citizens hide them, cover for them, will die to protect them. Haven't you seen the pictures of the Palestinian people hanging their babies on the fence to deter attacks? Don't you think if they really cared they could keep the militants from hiding rockets in hospitals for FFS? There are far fewer innocents there than you think.

And you still haven't answered my question, have you spent any time in the region in question?

 

Perhaps so, but that still doesn't justify executing innocent people just to nail the bad guys. If a bank robber shoots some customers in robbing a bank then runs into a crowd containing you and your family, would you support the police machine gunning everyone in the crowd in order to ensure they not only get the murdering bank robber but anyone giving him a high five?

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I've both been to the Middle East with the military and, in my capacity as a flight instructor, worked with Saudis and Kuwaitis.

 

I believe the word he used was 'human.' The judgement that Chinese and Native Americans are barbarians seems to be entirely yours.

But sure, as much as we strive to find better solutions when we can, in the end American's are no better than Chinese, Native Americans, or other humans.




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The bank robber thing is completely different from what we are discussing. Its not a case of a spur of the moment "gotta get him now" situation and its not one guy shooting a couple of people in a bank. The scale of the crime and the risk are vastly greater and may justify I greater response.

As a flight instructor you probably worked mostly if not exclusively with the highest cast. Not really representative of the Saudi in the street. I've never had dealings with Kuwaitis. They didn't try to call in the company until it was too late.