POLL: Should we negotiate with Islamic State?

Cops and soldiers don't do the same job. Police work is about maintaining the peace, war is about eliminating a threat.

The math of acceptable casualties is part of providing protection from people trying to kill you and your family, it's less applicable to protecting slips of paper.





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Agreed on both counts. Do you agree with his assertion that the US and Americans are no better than the Romans, savages and Mongol hordes?

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Is this your way of saying it's okay to commit mass murder against innocent people because it's "war"?​

 

It's analogous to what you are advocating; killing a large group of innocents in order to catch a few bad guys.

Perhaps you should reread the story of Abraham, Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah. Specifically how Abraham tried to negotiate saving the city just to save a few innocents.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18

 

Again, savages is your word. His word was 'human.' If you're going to quote him, use his words.

Are people in the U.S. better than "Romans, Persians, Gauls, Spartans, Athenians, Egyptians, Native Americans, the Chinese, Mongols, ... 'Human'"? No, we're all just human.

When someone puts a knife to your throat, I don't care if you're Athenian, Native American, Chinese, or a plain old American -- your reaction will be that of a human.





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They do not want to negotiate. They want everyone else dead.

 

I'm gonna drop out right here. Not going to get into a discussion on my view of the bible.

Have a nice day.

 

You're nitpicking to avoid giving the obvious answer that both you and he are saying the US is no better than anyone in the past and, by implication, we can conduct ourselves just as they did with pillaging, raping, murdering and mass slaughter.​

 

Murder is the illegal killing of a person. According to the law, murder is never OK. Now ask me if there can be acceptable casualties in a military action.





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I asked specifically if you think it's okay to commit mass murder against innocent people under the label "war". Ever heard of the Nuremberg Trials? Do you know what constitutes a "war crime"? If you did, then you wouldn't be advocating nuking the entire Middle East and killing over 300 million people just to make sure all the radicals are dead.

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You dropped out when you dodged answering the question about murdering innocents in the name of war. Enjoy your day.​

 

It's not nitpicking to point out that nobody said anything about rape or murder ... but you. If you want to quote someone, use their words.

Instead, if you want to get into a who's the "better" people argument get specific or join the KKK (or maybe Al-Qaeda). There are no better people on this planet. Some folks might do better at some things, but in the end we're all the same animal.




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What was the purpose of bringing up ancient peoples other than to equate the US with the savagery and barbarism of the past?

 

A violation of international law? Acting contrary to the Geneva protocols established after world war II, without first seceding from that agreement? Doing harsh things in war and failing to win so you can write new laws after the fact?

A man is sitting among folks who chose to live with him, even support him. His finger is on a button that will blow up the world trade center. War is not getting the option of no one dieing. It's choosing between who dies. Them or us. Yes, I'd drop a bomb on him. And I'm comfortable with my choice.

Feel free to send a warning that folks should either clean their own house and get rid of that nut or get the heck out of the way. But don't ask me to let more here die rather than risk killing some there. We've done that for too long, and lost too many.




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I'm sure you are. I'd rather risk death than become a coward who nukes millions of children to save themselves. Such a person is without character, without integrity and certainly without honor.

 

I didn't. I might speculate it was about making a choice in the harsh realities of war. The question is a little more obvious when you consider two armies facing each other with swords, but no less applicable when they use terrorists, bombs, or other weapons.





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I fully understand the realities and cost of war. I also fully understand the cowardice associated by those who would murder millions of innocents in order to save their own pitiful skins.

We're not talking about a tactical nuke upon an army with a few innocents mixed in, but nuking all of the Middle East, over 300 million souls, just to ensure a small percentage of murdering asshats are dead.

 

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." And the sacrifice isn't your own life, it's the life of those who were depending on you to protect them.

War isn't about good choices, it's about least bad ones. If you want to keep things pretty, don't let it come to war.





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More quotes from General Patton:

"Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men."

"Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some it takes an hour. For some it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor his sense of duty to his country and his innate manhood."

“Take not counsel of your fears”

 

A bad situation that the asshats, and those millions of souls, have created. My suggestion is the millions of souls take responsibility for their country and their asshats, so we have better choices in how to defend ourselves.




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Yup.




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You cannot negotiate with ISIS, there is no negotiation. "War is deceit" Mohammad. If they negotiate, it would only be temporary for the benefit of Islam.

 

If it truly was millions as you suggest, and it is not, then the Israelis would have been up (*)(*)(*)(*) creek years ago and we'd have never made it into Iraq much less out of it.​

 

*shrug* You said there were millions of souls there. I'm saying we are up that creek, because those millions of souls are sitting on their butts instead of on their asshats.





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There are over 300 million souls in the Middle East.

Did you or did you not click on "We should just NUKE all of the middle east"?​

 

Then they should have no problem putting down ISIS themselves.





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Like Americans, most are unwilling to "get involved". We have a massive drug gang problem in this country. A huge number of murders are crime related, specifically gang bangers.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm?s_cid=mm6103a2_w
Gang homicides account for a substantial proportion of homicides among youths in some U.S. cities

Since 318 million Americans far outnumber the number of gang bangers, why haven't we solved this problem? Are you saying Americans support gang bangers and murder? If it's not their fault, then why do you blame a similar number of Arabs for the actions of those in different countries than their own?​