Trump used $58 million from the donor to pay his legal fees

I have..you have continued to produce, accusations...but nothing more then that.

Sorry about that for you

 

The spirit is correct.

If you speed, you are driving over the speed limit. Fact. If you get caught, you can get a ticket. If you don't get caught, it doesn't mean you weren't speeding.

If you commit a crime, you are a criminal. If you get caught, you will be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't change the criminality of the event, though.

 

I...am actually a fan of you now.


this is all true...

but you aren't a criminal until you can prove it happened.

For example, Obamagate, Clinton's emails, etc etc...or a guy driving home after having to many drinks....or voter fraud

the issue is you all went over Trump's campaign...and found nothing..

 

Me? You take me as some sort of loony liberal? LOL

A person may not be a criminal in the eyes of the law, but, that person has to live with themselves, knowing they are, indeed, a criminal. A gay man pretending he isn't, is still gay.

 

i take that as a white flag

 

I have a few gay cousins, and friends....they aren't criminals...

 

Nobody is a criminal until they have been proven one

sin is a different thing...and the dems have made it clear the Trumps broke their sin

 

You have a reading comprehension issue if that's what you took away from my comment.

Definition: a person who has committed a crime. Is stealing a crime? Yes. If someone steals, did they commit a crime? Yes. Does this mean it will be proven in a court of law? No. Criminal will not be guilty in a court of law, but criminal still did criminal thing.

 

Not sure what you got your last quote from...but that is not true in America...

a criminal, is convicted of a crime.....like Bill Clinton, or Weiner....the people you wanted to put in the white house in 2016

 

I am not trying to speak for CuriousAlways, but I read the post as the difference between a convicted criminal and non-convicted criminal. It's like being found "not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

 

Um. No. I didn't vote for Hillary. Ewww....

A criminal commits a crime. A convicted criminal is found guilty of the crime.

 

well people are innocent, until proven otherwise.

 

in the USA people are innocent, until proven otherwise.

 

No, people are presumed innocent until proven otherwise. Regardless, a person becomes a criminal once they engage in criminal activity. Them getting caught and prosecuted only defines if a court of law determined the criminal activity happened.

 

otherwise they are innocent like i said

 

OK. Keep ignoring the point which is a conviction does not make a criminal. A criminal act makes a criminal.

 

Keep ignoring the fact people are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

So when a poster goes around calling people criminals.....when in fact there is not even enough evidence to bring a charge....which is a low standard...they are in fact being dishonest....

 

What is the point in going around on this matter? We are never going to agree. Leave it at that. I will.

 

I suppose not....but I am here to tell you that in the United States....we have this presumption of innocent thing....a lot of leftwing regimes don't.

 

OJ Simpson was found "not guilty" in criminal court. There is a small percentage of people that believe he was actually not guilty. Is he considered "innocent" because he was found not guilty in court? Doubtful. Are rogue police officers not criminals because they happened to get away with killing suspects in the course of arrest? And, anybody that has ever been on the end of a police investigation knows that nobody believes somebody is *innocent* until proven guilty. Police are so well-versed in interrogation and intimidation that it's illegal to speak to someone once they ask for legal representation. Presumed innocent until proven guilty only exists in the mind.

 

Innocent of any crime related to the murders yes....he was however found liable for their murders in civil court. You don't even have that with the Trump campaign and Russia....
Yes, rogue or any other police officer are innocent of murder if they aren't convicted

Sure a police officer or an investigator might not believe it....but the reality is that the person is. I am not sure what you mean about the officers being good...good they should be...and yes it should be illegal to question a person once they ask for a lawyer...we have that right in the United States as well.

No innocent until proven guilty is very real....and in fact if you go around calling someone a criminal and they aren't...you are opening yourself up to a lawsuit.

 

Well, are you going to admit to your fellow worshipers that almost none of the looters and rioters are criminals? I think they are, but apparently, you do not. Weird.

 

The ones convicted are...the ones awaiting trial aren't yet.

It's not that hard of a concept

 

You will need proof of that from a neutral news source.

 

Whether it's a crime or not isn't that important.

What's important is that donor money be used for purposes other than Trump's re-election.

Trump uses you as a source of income to pay his lawyers.

Aren't you the most naive supporters in the history of this country?