Corporal punishment still happening in American schools? WTF?

Not necessarily.

Thinking is a way to teach ….

...and many were without being spanked...

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...but just keep spanking them "just in case" it works....unbelievable....

 

Lol so give me an example of your “discipline”.

Your kid is 9 years old does something relatively egregious like tripping a little girl and she falls and hits her head and hurts herself pretty bad. He lies to you and everyone else saying he didn’t do it and then evidence shows he did. Say video evidence.

What’s your punishment?

 

Well, they will have been taught that violence is the answer to a problem...

 

If he did something like that at 9 it means something lacked in his upbringing before that.

He should be counseled and given a "time out" ,maybe no electronics for a time..... would beating him show him how harming others is not acceptable ????

 

You'll never convince some people a little paddling is sometimes needed to teach a child they did something wrong. The reason some people believe paddling is wrong is because they don't have the institutional fortitude to discipline. When their child acts up they ignore them. They are cowards in my book.

 

Self Defense. Defense of another. There are plenty of reasons to lay hands on another. And quite frankly a parent has the right to choose how to raise their kid so long as it doesn't turn into abuse. A little stinging on the butt is certainly not abuse. Abuse is when you leave marks that lasts for hours or days.

If necessary yes. :shrug: If you had children did they come with a manual? Did it tell you exactly what would work with the child and what wouldn't? No? Then your statement here is a non-sequitur. Sitting in a corner doesn't work on all children either. Neither does grounding from electronics. Nor grounding from socializing with friends. Or any of the other many numerous ways of disciplining children. You try different things until you find something that works. That is how parenthood actually is.

Yes, and many children have turned out to be monsters because they weren't disciplined with a firm hand.

 

And those who beat others because they're smaller.....are they not cowards??

Discipline without violence calls for thought, thinking, use of one's brain....some may not have the fortitude to do that....( I have no idea what "institutional fortitude" is )

 

And if those don't work?

 

Then you get creative.

When I was in middle school they still had "swats". You could choose a swat or after school detention. The couple times I got in trouble i always choose the swat, it took 10 seconds and was over.

The same holds true for kids and their parents. In order for a spanking to have an effect it needs to be felt days later, and to do that you need to abuse the child.

 

Yes it will. It will show him that not only are there consequences for his actions but those consequences many times in this life result in you getting hurt.

A cop friend of mine told a parent, you better discipline your child. Because if you don’t when he turns 18 we (police) are going to have to discipline him.

 

Only if you're the type that thinks laying a hand on a shoulder is considered assault.

Kids can't read minds. No one can.

Repeating yourself doesn't do any good.

Where did I say "keep spanking them"? You don't need to keep spanking them unless you see that it works. If you see that it isn't working then you try something else. Also spanking is usually a last resort type of thing or for something really egregious. No one is saying to use it first and foremost and all the time for every little infraction.

 

I don't...hitting someone is assault.

UH, I was referring to the PARENT doing the thinking.....obviously some can't.

Then why do you keep repeating that spanking is good?


The OP was talking about a paddling IN SCHOOL....totally inappropriate and against the law...

 

My kids were paddled in school. At the beginning of the year, we were asked to sign a form if we didn't allow the school to paddle. I spanked my sons when needed also. They grew into good respectable, hard working men who were never arrested or got involved into drugs. I was also paddled as a child and it is what kept me acting right with my parents.

The behavior I see these days by some kids, even in front of their parents, is shocking. I would have NEVER dreamed of talking to my parents like that and neither would my sons. That's why they are becoming the out of control, spoiled adults that expect everyone to cater to them today.

 

For the record, I am not in support of spanking children - but not being a parent, I admit that I cannot speak with authority on the subject. However, we are not talking about parents spanking children - the subject is about corporal punishment in school. And I don't need children to be able to state with full confidence that it is WRONG! It is outsourcing punishments to strangers. And, worst of all, I think it has a very serious impact on the children's self esteem when they are (or known to have been) 'paddled' at school.

 

And after the swat did you continue doing what you did wrong?

Actually it doesn't. My rule was 3 swats to the butt. Enough to sting, not enough to leave a mark that would last for more than 5 minutes.

 

And there it is!!!!

 

The swat did nothing to deter me.

And then after 5 minutes the kid moves on and forgets about the swats.

 

The parent was apparently there and watching, at least according to the OP. As such, nothing wrong with it imo.

 

Not always. How many violent sports are out there?

Of course some can't. Hence why abuse is wrong. Spanking done appropriately however is not abuse.

Because it is. :shrug: All you did was repeat that some people became successful good people and were not spanked. I replied that some people that were spanked also became successful good people. Then you repeated yourself. Which does nothing for your argument. Doesn't advance it. Doesn't prove anything. It does nothing good to repeat yourself. All I had to do was repeat myself and we would never have gotten anywhere.

Yes, apparently it was against the law in that county. Inappropriate though? That is what we're debating isn't it? The OP did not limit the discussion to just that incident. The OP included it all across the US and admitted that it is not illegal all across the US.

 

Wouldn't it be great if the child snatched the paddle and hit the adult back?
Would the next step be for the adult to find an even bigger weapon and hit the child harder?
Maybe to the point of unconsciousness on the part of the child?
Parents who violently assault their children choose what they see as a short cut because they are lazy and don’t have the institutional fortitude to work out how to be a decent parent.

 

As I've said previously, it doesn't work on all kids. There isn't a punishment out there that works on all kids.

Mine never did. :shrug:

 

Think you meant testicular fortitude.... Institutional fortitude makes no sense given the context.

 

chances are they were far more upset that you were angry/disappointed in them than the fact you hit them a few times.

 

Parents have limited ability to sue schools in the U.S. I paddled a few students the first year I was a teacher as it was allowed and I had parents permissions. I later avoided it after hitting the first kid (8th grade boy) in the kidneys with the paddle (he wasn't hurt but I was worried and I was never trained in how to properly use a paddle, ironically I later established a good, solid relationship between myself and the student and his mother).

I don't see why people make such a big deal about it. Running around and screaming that it is "CHILD ABUSE". Come on. It isn't meant to injure. Just as punishment.

 

I used the term introduced by another poster.