Corporal punishment still happening in American schools? WTF?

That video is ‘unavailable’ in my country.

The points I made above remain, and to be honest remain unanswered.

 

In my experience no child needs to be ‘managed’ by fear.
In addition I would not trust the judgement of somebody who thinks there is now a society of ‘full grown brats’ to be the arbiter of whether an assault should happen or not.
The young people we bring into the world are not brats, but the future.
In your analogy couldn’t you pause for a moment and consider the term ‘refuses to listen’ and ask yourself why, and why good advice, if it is that, would be ignored.

 

Fear may well be educational, terror is not.
Would you trust the judgement of the preacher in the video above to know the difference?

 

I don't trust preachers in general.

 

I think in some jurisdictions that is correct. It all depends on what the state, county, city, and school district rules and laws say.

It adds unnecessary embarrassment which is punishment beyond the stipulated punishment and its purpose. It is pouring salt into the wounds for no effective ends. It is akin to punishing a son or wife for the sins of a father or husband.

 

They go to jail and/or get expelled or suspended sometimes.

 

There is no due process in a parent-child relationship unless the parent chooses it. In some circumstance it would be appropriate and preferable from a parenting viewpoint.

I think corporal punishment is mostly effective and permissible but there has to be a clear definition and limits. Physical assault with fists for instance should not be allowed and likely not at all effective for anything beyond the immediate moment.

 

The child may reason that they were being assaulted unfairly and for no good reason, so they fight back as best they can.
I would’ve thought that subsequent jailing or expulsion would be subject to due process, your post reads to me that there would not be any due process.
I disagree with that, as such a scenario does not offer the same opportunities to both of the people involved in the conflict.

 

What is wrong with "embarrassment" as part of the punishment?

 

No, I said there was no due process in the parent-child relationship. There certainly is due process in a school-child or law enforcement-child relationship.

 

Embarrassment per se is not necessarily wrong. The student on the receiving end is likely embarrassed. But added excessive embarrassment is unnecessary, ineffective, and uncalled for and should not be permitted such as in front of a parent, in front of the student body (though in front of the class is O.K.), in the town square.

 

Ah, so you decided to make up your own opinion of what I posted out of context.
NOBODY claimed managing a kid out of fear
NOBODY claimed to assault kids
NOBODY claimed young people we bring into the world are brats

When you can respond to my post realistically, I will respond in kind

 

Yes. Which of course can lead to child abuse.
Or probably more commonly a parent interpreting physical assault on their child is allowable simply because they choose to do so.

 

Three out of three, the NOBODY being yourself.

 

Everything you posted is out of context and you know it.

Kids having fear of retribution for their actions does not mean managing kids out of fear.
Having a society of FULL GROWN BRATS does no mean young people we bring into the world are brats
Spanking a child does not mean assaulting a child

If this is all you have then its no wonder you think the way you do.

 

You supplied the context.
Anybody minded to read this thread can see that.
You, not nobody...something you even wished to emphasise with capital letters for goodness sake!
I have responded to your post realistically, as in with evidence.
You now backtrack and say that evidence is out of context!
If this is all you have it's no wonder you think the way you do.

 

Yet all evidence to the contrary.
I have seen your post and the responses so don't act like I have some singled out opinions here.

You take post out of context to make your point. You take the information you are provided and try and sensationalize it because its all you have.
You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.

 

I assume you are one of those deluded internet trolls.
My position on child assault is clear, and I have said why.
Nothing sensationalised at all.
You have contributed nothing in terms of a counterargument.
If you want to pick an argument do it with somebody else is my advice, you thirst to justify big people assaulting little people with scant control and for spurious reasons, it won't work with me.

 

Spankings are appropriate until certain age. Beyond that age, removing cell phone privileges is more effective.

 

There are a thousand things that might lead to child abuse. What's your point?

 

Or confiscating car keys, or.............

 

The only thing a kid learns from physical punishment is that grownups have the power to hurt them. That's it, that's the whole lesson. There are far better ways to get kids to behave, but it must start at home.

 

When I was a kid, it was allowed, but I never saw it used. Mostly, teachers would rap on their desk or chair to get their attention, and usually that was enough. If bad behavior persisted, the kid was sent to the principal's office.

When my son was in school, parents who wanted their kids paddled in school had to sign a waiver.

Private schools often have a corporal punishment policy, but it should be outlawed in public schools.

 

By that token, shouldn't it be okay for cops to beat people who break traffic rules and such? Instead of a speeding ticket, maybe they should drag us out of our cars and spank us.

Beatings don't do a damned thing except make the recipient feel powerless. Where's the lesson in that?

 

I really like that "by consent" part. Heh heh ...