“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    So Biden ran out of cages?
     
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    You spelled Obama wrong.
     
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    That policy was so inhumane trump had to lie and blame Obama for it lol
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Obama put unaccompanied minors in cages, since you can’t release children alone on to the streets. Trump split families.
     
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    Obama did it too, just to a lesser degree.
     
  6. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh my F ing god, Obama caged them.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Kenyan actually did do it. How partisan are you that you have to defy reality?

    Oh, and lol
     
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    The Kenyan???? Oh for shame.
     
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    Unaccompanied, not a policy of separating families. They were caught and released. Trump did the same at first.
     
  10. The Mello Guy

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    Obama caged unaccompanied minors, families were catch and release. It’s all well documented. Trumps policy was to split up families and stop catch and release.
     
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    Sure.
     
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    Counter on the
    I've been told before that only the courts got Trump to shut down Obama's kids in cages before. Question: if the courts were the only thing stopping Trump, how was Biden able to reopen them?
    We are in so much danger.
    Whether its this bill (If you let us rape you, in exchange, we'll rob you blind and endanger your families with unrelated foreign wars!): imagine if it said there should be 5,000 murders a day before you have to start thinking about enforcing the law? Or the failure, so far, to impeach a willful Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas who is openly violating existing law or at least willfully failing to enforce it?
    https://anncoulter.com/2024/02/08/impeach-him-again/ "
    Democrats claim that Republicans are trying to impeach Mayorkas over a mere “policy dispute,” not “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    This is like saying Dylann Roof had a “policy dispute” with the state of South Carolina about its murder laws. Roof thought he should be allowed to gun down defenseless black people in a church, but the state disagreed. See? Policy dispute."
    So far, the controlled opposition party that is the Republican party are doing their level best not to protect the USA. But at least this bill is in trouble if not already dead.
     
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    Biden needs to proclaim that asylum requests from Mexico, and many other countries, will be denied, which is his power to do.
     
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    The law cannot restrict the President's powers over immigration. Congress can pass a law that says if an immigrant requests political asylum, then this or that action or procedure is followed.

    But the law cannot interfere with the Presidential power to proclaim which countries have the political conditions present to warrant applications for political asylum in the first place.

    Everyone knows that the POTUS can just unilaterally decide that no immigration from this or that country will be accepted. This is why I had to appeal to the practicality or honor (in regard to our Afghan allies) of Trump's so-called Muslim ban. But I knew that he had the power to do it; that wasn't the argument.
     
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    Per CNN fact check, like I said, it happened to a lesser degree.
    "While separations did occur under Obama, it was only done under exceptional circumstances and was not a result of a blanket policy."
     
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    Trumpy Republicans just killed a bipartisan plan to tighten border security that the President woild have signed.

    Now they're trying to blame the President for not doing what Trump never did.

    Rightwing Republican Chip Roy:

    “No, we’re not just going to pass the buck and say that, ‘Oh, any president can walk in and secure the border,’” Roy said, referring to Trump’s post. “All a president has to do is declare the border’s closed, and it’s closed. Well, with all due respect, that didn’t happen in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020. There were millions of people that came in the United States during those four years.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-border-claim-that-didn-t-happen/ar-BB1hVdNW
     
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    Right out of Trumps play book. Obstruct any plan from the Dems or bipartisan as in this case , and then blame Biden.
    The R's ( T version) is beyond dysfunctional, and operate on totally selfish motives. Trumps pathology is governing the spineless R's.
     
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    I don't see anything about Visa overstay abuse on that list though......?
     
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    It's a crap bill and does nothing to solve the problem with the poupous border
     
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    The slavish submission to the sexual abuser/loser is turning the GOP into a cu_t that does not serve the nation.
     
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    That is how Trump toadies must denounce the bipartisan progress in securing the border, of course.
     
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    Bipartisan my ass. If it really was they would craft a bill that would pass. I miss that America, don't you?
     
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    Does not matter how effective the bill is. If TRUMP doesn't want it to pass because it would help Biden, he will get his goons to obstruct it.
    At the moment, it seems they have a hard time passing gas, so how would thee ineffectual be able to pass a bill.....without Trump giving the order.
    One would think that a dictatorship alrady existed with how Trump controls the R tribe, while they in turn obstruct anything that would be perceived as a positive for Biden. (on Trump's say so)
    The situation is so convoluted now , but that is how sociopaths with money work.
     
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    You see the reason for over 7 million illegals crossing the border and staying in the US in just 3 years.
    4 times higher than any president in history
     

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