“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

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  1. Hey Now

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    And what's your post based off of? Feelings? I simply added critical context to a generalized emotional rant that mischaracterizes the 5000 number. Your post lacked the context of the number and the opinion of the border patrol union head that says it will discourage migration, especially single males, since most of the 5000 will be deported once processed.
     
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    I don't think you understand our point. Our point is why would we agree to that as opposed to shutting the border down for illegals now?
     
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    An earlier post notes that Republicans have had the power to protect the border in the past and have not.
    That is because most of them are the controlled opposition. They want to lose.
    Example:
    The people do not want a Federal ban on abortion. So after winning Roe, what became a priority for them?
    And here they are to impeach a failure (or treacherous domestic enemy) Mayorkas and they blow that when on this one? The people are with them.
    Very frustrating.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/3OBO6ZR4T3ry/
     
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    I wouldn't count the mayorkas impeachment as done quite yet. They lost 4 votes but really only 3. Which will allow them to tee the vote up again once Scalise comes back.
     
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    I think what would be accepted would be shut it down now, get the whole mess cleared up and set a quota and then restart the process under control.
     
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    That would get the votes. But the Dems don't wanna do that. They just want to APPEAR to do something about the border.
     
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    I wonder, the House GOP wails about how that bill is not acceptable, after getting bipartisan support from the Senate, following 4 months of work on it. Now, where is the House bill that WOULD be acceptable to them? Oh, I know, there isn't one, they are much more busy impeaching and potentially shutting down government. It's truly the party of NO.
     
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    You shouldn't be surprised that when a fox and fisher cat agree on something, the chickens know up front it's probably not a good thing.
    I write previously, elected Republicans tend to be the controlled opposition: they want to lose. At the end of the day there is a uniparty that includes Bernie Sanders and AOC and they create the illusion of wanting to do the right things but they actually agree they want to make the donor class happy.
    Proof of this in that they're working on this bill to begin with: why? They have the law, power, right and funds to do what they're supposed to be doing right now. It's like having cops come to your house responding to your call that an intruder with a knife is shouting he's going to kill you. They are well armed and have right to investigate and arrest as appropriate. But they tell you first they're going to have to watch some movies in your living room and then talk about investigating with the mayor.
     
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    You mean like H.R. 2. The Secure the Border Act of 2023. Introduced by Republicans on May 2, 2023.
    Still sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk who refuses to put it up for vote.

    Would you like to know whats in it that Democrats refuse to vote for?

    It would Reestablish border policy, including restarting construction on the border wall and requiring the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to create a plan to meet benchmarks for 200 miles of construction each year;

    Reinforce the unrealistically narrow definition of “operational control” as “the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband”(emphasis added);

    Require the DHS secretary to incorporate physical barriers, infrastructures, and technologies to “achieve situational awareness and operational control” at the U.S.-Mexico border;

    Increase the number of full-time Border Patrol agents to at least 22,000;

    Prohibit the use of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations resources to transport noncitizens who will not be detained into the country’s interior;

    Build on Operation Stonegarden to appropriate $110 million per fiscal year — from 2024 through 2028 — for grants to law enforcement agencies working with U.S. immigration authorities near the U.S.’s land and maritime borders;

    Require the U.S. Border Patrol to pull together a strategic plan based in part on information provided by “border community stakeholders” such as hospitals, farmers, ranchers, property owners, victims of crimes done by undocumented immigrants, and others “negatively impacted by illegal immigration;”

    Pull funding for processing noncitizens who have entered the U.S. illegally between ports of entry;

    Bar funds from being disbursed to NGOs that “facilitate or encourage unlawful activity,” defined to include unlawful entry, or that facilitate transportation, lodging, or immigration legal services for people who are inadmissible;

    Restrict the use of documents provided by DHS, such as notices to appear and work authorizations, as valid IDs at airport security checkpoints;

    Limit the CBP One phone application and other similar platforms to only be used for the inspection of perishable cargo, barring its use for the scheduling of immigration interviews for people at ports of entry;

    Mandate government reporting on migration-related economic and security ramifications to states and municipalities along the U.S.-Mexico border, including to law enforcement, school districts, healthcare providers, and farmers and ranchers; and

    Defund an alternatives to detention case management program and CBP’s shelter services program.
     
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    As long as the question remains unchanged.
     
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    I actually think you are making a point after quoting my posts that just put someone else's misrepresentation of the facts. Your point is pie in the sky and unrelated to the other poster's mischaracterization of the proposed bill processing limits. And, the framework of the bill was sent by the House in October to the Senate and after The Golden Calf decided it was better to have the "issue" instead of a viable solution signed by Biden, **** national security right, hence, MAGA needs to stop whining about the "issue" and playing the blame game.
     
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    And then The Golden Calf loses his election issue, you think he'll go for that? Rhetorical.
     
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    From what I’m gathering, because they also endorsed the wall, the wall was good then.
     
  15. JohnHamilton

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    ANY bill that allows 5,000 illegals a day to enter the country before anything can be done about it is dead on arrival.

    In addition is the trust issue. Biden has broken law by not enforcing the laws that are on the books. Who says he will obey the law now? To hell with Ukraine and all of it. Biden has zero credibility. He’s a crook and a liar. If he wants to fix things, he should reinstate the remain in Mexico policy and build the wall. Then he will have enough credibility to bargain.

    He will never do any of those things. Vote the Biden crook/puppet out of office. He is the worst ever!
     
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    That is a load of crap. They mouth the words the cartels instruct them to say, and Biden and open border Democrats issue them a blank check to stay here. I guess every person in the world is subject to persecution in their home country. That’s what the Democrat border policy would have us believe.
     
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    You would oppose what the House Republicans want. It’s the Trump policy and then some. Quotas on how many people get to enter country each year. No more “anchor babies.” A wall with a secure border. The power for ICE to kick all of the criminals and terrorists out of the country without years of court trials supported by the ACLU.

    The one concession that needs to be made is that immigration should be cheaper and easier for qualified applicants.
     
  18. The Mello Guy

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    It’s not policy it’s us and international law.
     
  19. JohnHamilton

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    If international law were driving this, every country would have open borders. They don’t. This is “Biden puppeteer law” driven by the objective to make Democrat Party totally dominate in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.
     
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    So why didn’t trump just reject them? Why did he put them in cages?
    A: because it’s the ****ing law lol
     
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    Obama put kids in cages. The footage you saw was propaganda. Trump made many of them stay in Mexico.
     
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    Obama put kids who came alone or with criminals in cages. Trump split up and caged families before remain in Mexico. And he did so because the law says we have to let them apply for asylum.
     
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    I think to some degree you are correct. Trump almost had a wall and immigration bill early in his term with Chuck and Nancy but it fell through at the last minute and the name calling took off the rest of Presidency. The border has exploded under Biden and his 94 Executive Orders reversing every Trump border EO has resulted in 7 plus million being allowed into this country awaiting. Biden had the house and Senate for the first two years of his presidency and told us it wasn't a problem all the way until a couple months ago.
     
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    It's policy
     
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    It’s the law. He tried to change it and the courts stopped it. It’s why trump put them in cages and didn’t just deport them.
     

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