37 Straight Gallup Polls—Majority: Abortion Should Be Illegal>>MOD WARNING<<

BTW, is there ANYBODY after reading her posts.....that believes this?

http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...illegal-how-would-you-prove-one-happened.html


Anybody?

 

No. Only when it is no longer viable.

You are confusing yourself with viability outside the womb, which is not to say a fetus is not viable inside the womb at any age.

 

Abortion, like miscarriage, is a private matter because there are sad circumstances surrounding them.

Wanted pregnancies mean happiness for most of the people concerned. The prospective parents, grandparents, aunties uncles etc all look forward to welcoming a new member of their family. Good news spreads fats. People clam up about bad news.

Nobody comes to work bursting with the news their daughter miscarried last night.

 

That is much less invasive than an abortion.

 

No, YOU are confused...this is what you said-

Originally Posted by PatriotNews
"1) When the fetus is not viable."


You need to be clearer in your rhetoric. "when the fetus is not viable" ALSO includes the time period BEFORE it is viable outside the womb.

A rhetorical mistake on your part, I am happy to help you notice and correct in the future.

 

So by that same way of thinking, the Government could tax you at 70% and a person could defend it by saying "Hey, it's much less onerous than a 90% tax rate".....right?


You see how quickly your fetish over fetuses comes back to haunt your otherwise libertarian view of "Government"???

 

I doubt it ...................just her....she claims she had two abortions but she's "Pro-Life"...

....and don't throw too many facts at her or she hides.....

 

Apples to oranges comparison.

Sane people believe killing the unborn for convenience is wrong, because they value human life more than convenience. If human life is not of the highest value, then what is? Unless we value human life, sooner or later even your life will not matter.

 

"Life" is only as valuable as the value someone places on it....most sane people place more value on their own life over the lives of others which is why we have war and executions and self defense laws, , for CONVENIENCE....

 

So that means you support free and easily available birth control for women and sex education to reduce abortions? Do you also support Obamacare and welfare for those lives after they are born? Do you support reasonable gun control laws and regulations for pollution and food safety? Do you oppose the death penalty and unnecessary war? Are you using your body to save lives? Because human life is of the highest value...

 

But notice how many "pro-lifers"...just has vehement and strident as those who openly say "Yes, I'm pro-life and I want abortion banned"....

have to LIE and claim "I'm not pro-life"....so that they can try to buy some "I'm a moderate, not some extremist" CYA for themselves....

but then take the EXACT SAME positions as the extremists.

THEY know what the extremists do to their agenda...how it effects the "image" of it....so they try to distance themselves from those extremists....while holding the same views and agenda.

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Are you a pacifist?

 

You are still the one in need of correction.

Viable:

2. capable of being done or used
4. capable of succeeding
6. capable of living or of developing into a living thing

You don't even know what the word viable means.

 

The government could tax us at 90% which is much more onerous than 70%.

I fail to see a connection between the two points. I am not a libertarian, nor do I have a fetish over anything. I believe that the government should protect our right to life and our right to property. It is not doing that when it allows abortion or high taxation.

 

b.(of a fetus) having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus.

www.dictionary.com

 

You said an abortion is more invasive than a GOVERNMENT ORDERED vaginal ultrasound.

Okay....so by that same kind of justification process....anything LESS than some onerous 90% tax rate....could be justified, couldn't it?

Plus the abortion is voluntary....the GOVERNMENT ORDERED invasive ultrasound is mandatory and punishable by the force of law.

A more apt analogy would be you saying "I support the Government FORCING me to give 5% of my income to a charity of its choice....because that's not as bad as me giving 10% voluntarily."

 

From your reference:

Viable:

1. capable of living.

 

An abortion is more invasive than a government ordered vaginal ultrasound. Aren't most ultrasounds from the outside the belly anyway? Why this fixation of vaginal ultrasounds? How many of those are performed vs regular ultrasounds? You need to get over your vaginal ultrasound fetish.

Still not catching your drift with the 90% tax rate there bub.

If you don't want to get a government ordered invasive ultrasound that is mandatory and punishable by the force of law, then you have the right not to volunteer for an abortion.

Why don't you give up on the bad analogies and stick to the substance of the thread.

 

But you agree to the other defintion....so your claim that I was "ignorant" of the defintion of "viable" was false.

You lied.

 

You simply don't understand or see what you're saying....

a Far Right person like yourself would consider a 40% tax rate of a wealthy person by the Government as "tyrannical"...

but you think it's "good" for the Government to create a law where by a doctor MUST force an ultrasound, even an invasive ultrasound, on a woman or face the penalty of the law.

This is why both the Right and GOP fail when they try to argue both "Government is bad, it's bad!".....AND "Oh, but I want Government to control a woman's reproductive system...that's good, it's good!"

Or as the old line goes..."Rightwingers want a Government so small...it can fit in a uterus."

It shows you for hypocrites...misogynistic Statist theocrats trying to disguise themselves as libertarians.

 

Wait, what? When did I agree to the "other definition"? What other definition? I agree that your definition agreed with me, that is: "1. capable of living."

What did I lie about? You are making false allegations. If you think that a fetus that is less than 24 weeks old is not viable because it cannot survive outside the womb, then you do not understand the meaning of the word "viable".

 

You claimed I "didn't know the definition of viable"....when I do and used it against you.

This is simply another example of where you are utterly INcapable of EVER admitting you made a mistake....ever.



BTW, a tangential question to your OP-

If "all the polls show I am in the majority" as you claim.....

WHEN is Roe v. Wade going to be overturned? We're at Year 42 and counting. Year 45? Year 50? Year 55?

Ballpark.

 

Apparently you still don't know what viable means. A fetus is viable so long as it is alive and has a chance at survival. You asked what my exceptions were so let me repeat them:

1. When the fetus is not viable
3. When the life of the mother is in serious jeopardy

I'll let you know when I've made a mistake when you have pointed one out.

I'll have to consult my crystal ball to answer your last stupid question.

 

Life only has as much value as another places upon it, even you adhere to that., and what you consider convenient has no bearing what so ever on other people.

 

Its my understanding they have to do an ultrasound regardless. Both of my abortions required an ultrasound to guide them, and wvery abortion i have known the details for involved the use of ultrasound. I was unconcious for both although i was supposed to be awake for the first.


And i have had probably 15 or so prenatal ultrasounds, not one involved a vaginal wand. Even if it did, something is going in the womans vagina. How else will they get the "products of birth" out?

 

Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. Your thoughts won't change my values or beliefs, just as im sure mine wont change yours.

I can't be pro life for the following reasons;

1. I support euthanasia
2. I support the death penalty in certain cases
3. I support early term elective abortions (prior to 12 weeks gestation. Before the fetus can physically be distinguished as human)
4. I support abortion at any time for severe risk to mothers health or severe fetal impairment.
5. I support abortion prior to viability (approx 21 weeks) in extenuating circumstances.
6. I support voluntary sterilisation for anyone old enough to make that decision.
7. I support free and easy access to birth control in high schools.
8. I support sex education starting well before highschool.
9. I support emergency contraception being free and easily accessible.