A muslim thought about stabbing me today because Islam is the religion of peace

They aren't up with modern civilization because instead of studying reading, writing, and Arithmetic, they're busy memorizing some fictional fantasy book called the Quran. So yes Islam is evil because followers of Islam refuse to get with modern times.

 

you are proud of rape, murder of children and women in the name Jesus Christ and GOD? really? you are worst than Osama Bin Liden

first crusade
"Once the city fell, the invaders stormed in, ransacked every building and murdered every single man, woman, and child within the walls. 70,000 people were hacked to pieces “in the name of Christ. The horses waded in blood up to their knees. Probably half the women were raped, and most of everyone was tortured by varying methods. It was unbridled, bacchanalian sadism. ”

you are proud of this?

this is just a teaser, the list is very long

 

are you seriously quoting hateful propaganda as historical fact? Are you really so dull you haven't even noticed that:

1. Massecres of every man woman and child are rare in history and certainly wasn't the case with Jerusalem. They took prisoners

2. 70,000 people don't just get hacked to pieces, the infrastructure needed to set up such a slaughter and butchering would take about 30 meat processing plants like the kind that slaughter cattle. The sheer number beggars belief...among those who aren't complete morons.

3. For horses to wade up to their knees in blood, there would have to be enough to fill an Olympic size pool, about 630,000 gallons. At 6 quarts per person, that's 420,000 people that would have to be completely drained of blood to create such a senario.

4. "Probably about half the women were raped" is not only specious, but impossible. That's hundreds of thousands of soldiers doing nothing but rutting women in every space available in the streets. The orgy of this description defies imagination as it does logic.

5. "Most everyone was tortured" is also hyperbole that is breathtakingly stupid. Setting up the buildings and personnel needed to torture "nearly everyone" in Jerusalem would more than tax the 40,000 Christians who laid seige to the city, it would have been an impossible feat and one that served no purpose. To hear talk like this, you'd think these were monsters from another world and not human beings subject to the forces of conscience and moral rectitude.

And the fact that you would believe and espouse such idiocy tells me everything I need to know about you, which is why I'm not going to engage in this stupidity with you any longer. You aren't a practicing Catholic and you're inclined to believe, without the least amount of scrutiny or logic the most horrid tales slandering the Catholic faith. Not only is there not an ounce of truth to any of it, only those who HATE the Catholic faith would ever fabricate or believe the statement you so eagerly quoted to me. You aren't one of us. You aren't even a decent human being, much less a practicing member of the Holy Faith. Hateful and stupid is a rueful combination, but you've managed to achieve it. I'm ignoring everything that comes out of that piehole of yours now that I know what you are.

 

Don't bother responding, Mike12. You've been permanently ignored. With extreme prejudice.

 

oh my goodness

 

lol,

do you REALLY think that you have the facts on your side? and can HIDE all the ATTROCITIES, OPPRESSION, KILLINS Christians were responsible for?

HOW many crusades were there? 6? 9?

how many thousands, if not millions killed in the name of GOD, Jesus Christ?? tell me and don't lie

How many were burned, killed for opposing the church? tell me

You are nothing but a Christian fanatic who thinks Christanity is the only religion and all others are wrong, evil. You are immoral enough to actually claim you are PROUD of the Crusades... a movement of MURDERING in the name of GOD, where thousands were killed, slaughtered - FACT.

You look at history through your biased and blind lens and ignore the endless list of Christian crimes and only study the crimes commited in the name of Islam. How can anyone argue with a Christian fanatic? Try arguing with Al Queda and see how far you get to, same as arguing with you.

Don't make me post a list of Christian crimes, it's so long that it won't even fit in this thread...

you are a religious fanatic and why i called you out since you were proclaiming islam to be a religion of evil and Christianity to be the 'good'. This is what i call hypocrisy and fanatism and a total biased account of history. If you think you can convince anyone with all this nonsense you spew, think again. You cannot argue AGAINST FACTS...

i'm a catholic but not a devoted one, i just believe in GOD. Unlike you, i don't believe god believes that Christians are right and muslims are wrong and we should hate others for believing in another religion. Unlike you i know Islam is a religion which preaches peace and shouldn't be judged by radicals (the monority). I understand that Christians have been responsible for as many attrocities as Muslims (of course you would disagree but should really go back and re-read the history books more carefully).

Your account of history is laughable and your attempt to excuse the Christian crimes is nauseating

 

things saintmichaeldefendthem is proud of:

A Large dated compilation of Christian Crimes since its advent:

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.

Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]

Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]

Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."

In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]

The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]

Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]

Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]

15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]

16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]

Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]

9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]

Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]

After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]

Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."

The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]

Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

 

and:

Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]

Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]

Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Bezi�rs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]

Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]

After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
[WW183]

Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]

Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).

Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]

John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]

Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]

University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]


Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.

In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
[WV]

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]

1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]

1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, "a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]

1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]

17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]

17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]

17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown.

In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]

694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]

1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]

1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]

1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]

1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]

1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]

1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]

1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]

1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]

1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]

1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]

1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]

1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.

1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]

1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]

 

I repeat the atrocities of the past cannot be change and should not be compared to the atrocities of the present. What matters now is NOW. Muslims must be modernized and civilized or exterminated. We cannot continue permitting such atrocities to continue unabated. We are in the 21st century, time to act like it.

 

well that takes time... until these muslims get better education, improve their standard of living, radicals will always be a part of their society.

Let's keep in mind that about 1 in 4 are muslim out of the world population and only a minority are radicals. These radicals didn't become radicals at birth or after they read the Koran; they became radicals by being taught nonsense from other radicals and living in countries where oppresive regimes have governed. It's a product of living in ignorance and poverty and getting fed lies about Isreal and US. If Americans were mainly muslim, you wouldn't see terrorists all over the US because it's a developed free Country... Islam preaches peace, not terrorism.

and it is important to know some of the history cause it explains the present

 

Meanwhile, in the warm and caring world of christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

 

That scotch does a number on the mind, mate.

Every catholic I've known condemns those scandals.

Muslims on the other hand, have a rampant homosexual pedophile as well as bestiality problem within many of their communities and they refuse to address the issue.

Don't make me start a thread on this issue.

Slither away now.

 

your mind is more bent than what any scotch can do

 

Wow. I was going to make another thread but I figured it was relevant here.

So a Muslim and I got to talking and veered off to religion while at a juicebar yesterday. I casually tell him factual information about his Prophet Mohammad. He had no counter arguments. He had no points to make or anything else to say.

He looked me straight in the eye and said "you are lucky we are in America" and he walked off. Very interesting.

 

What do you guys even mean by "real Christian" or "real Muslim"?!!??

Like real Muslims are terrorists? So the peaceful ones aren't real Muslims? Why can't it be the other way round?

 

Understandable as most people find bigotry offensive.

You must really have an in with the big guys upstairs, he usually doesn't seem to give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about people getting stabbed, blown up, totured, etc.

 

I used to talk (*)(*)(*)(*) about Islam all the time around my best friend and her brother, both Muslims (Saudi Arabian descent). Mo laughed his ass off and Zaineb just talked (*)(*)(*)(*) back about my own personal beliefs, but I never saw murder in their eyes because we were friends. I even traveled the Middle East with them a couple times. Two years ago I got to visit Mo at his Muslim school in Saudi Arabia.

I'm fine and so are they.

 

Only Christianity gets to be that way. Violent, evil Christians are fake. Peaceful, loving Muslims are fake.

It's a horrendous double standard.

 

My grandfather got his throat slit by a Catholic because he refused to convert. They must all be part of an evil fascist death colt. By the way I'm staring at a pen right now...got a problem?

 

How do you know he wasn't just pissed at you because you talked to him the way you talk to me? Religion isn't the only reason why people think about providing an ass-whuppin'.

 

Because i tend to be more polite in person. I offended the prophet mohammed, that is a penalty of death period. Even though everything i said was true. Many muslims know this..

 

I'm starting to wonder if you've ever met a large number of Muslims or have been to a Muslim country.

 

In Florida, he could have been shot legally, if he had made one step in RA's direction with that pen in his hand, holding it threateningly like a weapon. Being that he's a Muslim, that would definitely go against him in a court of law, and strengthen the prosecution's case that RA could have legitimately sensed imminent danger.

 

TRAT: you will forever wonder about this because you arent willing to open your eyes to the truth about Islam.