"Abortion is murder!"...how to destroy it in 3-4 quick questions

That's probably for the best.......let me know when you find that sex Utopia where humans have changed and only have sex you approve of.....

 

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Most sane moral people consider their unborn babies valuable and viable as soon as they conceive.

They should have sex when they are responsible enough to accept the consequences that come with sex and not kill another human. I had a vasectomy at 24 to prevent unwanted pregnancies, yet we would have raised any other babies we created.

 

Whenever, no matter how one purposely kills innocent human life, no matter the age.

 

The language you use says differently. These thinly veiled rhetoric comments by pro-lifers is a concerted attempt to change the narrative from the failed foetus based ideology to one masquerading as a woman based one, the problem is the arguments used are all rooted in the stereotypical historical assumptions about women i.e. they cannot think for themselves and require others to "protect" them.

Possibly it was like you have said, it isn't anymore ... good to see that Sweden has realised just how important comprehensive sex ed. Is.

Your personal view of reality is not reality at all, neither is it "1200%" correct, if it was that correct you should have no problem supporting your claims.

No

There is evidence to support the Feminist argument, there is none to support the Nazi's or yours.

 

And that may be fine for you....but not everyone is you, not everyone shares your idea of what is moral.

Many sane people realize they don't want or can't afford a child...and still get pregnant. To think only insane people have unplanned pregnancies is, well, insane.


People may think the second they are pregnant the zygote is viable but it isn't.


Maybe people should only have kids if they are responsible but the history of the world says that ain't going to happen with every person.


Why would you want irresponsible people to have kids??


It is responsible to have an abortion if you don't want or can't afford a kid.

 

Considering the fact that it is pro-lifers who continuously rehash the same failed arguments in the majority of threads here your comment is full of hypocrisy.

 

Pot ... kettle ... black

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Except of course that abortion has been around for quite a long time, so all of the above is nothing more than ill informed emotional clap-trap.

 

While I agree that there are certain characteristics that make male and female different that does not mean they should be enforced, would you force your 4 year old cousin to be the "caretaker" if her desire was to be something else, if not why do you think it is acceptable to force a woman to adhere to what you consider her proper role?

 

Well yes it is more difficult than that as even "humans" are killed by others who are defending themselves. The key word in your comment is unlawful, abortion is not and never can be unlawful under the current U.S. legislation. It can never be made illegal without violating the Constitution, even the current 24 week restriction is unconstitutional.

 

I've highlighted the above as I fully agree, the foetus would not only have all the protections it would also have all the restrictions of which one is no person can violate the autonomy of another person without consent i.e.. if the woman does not consent to the foetus violating her autonomy then she has the same right as any other person to do what ever is required to stop it happening and furthermore the state has a duty under the equal protection clause to aid her in doing so.

 

I only remember starting one abortion related thread.. several years ago. I have responded to several like this one, with pretty much the same title. How is pointing this out 'full of hypocrisy?' You are just resorting to ad hominem, as i remember you doing regularly, in these kinds of threads.

Ah, yes.. i remember attempting to 'debate' with you as well. Why do the pro abortionists have the same style? they are vicious, hateful, & irrational, distorting their opponent's views, making lame caricatures of the pro life position, & other dishonest tactics. I guess if you have a morality that tries to defend infanticide, lying & hatred is an easy transition.

I don't care. Kill all the babies you want. But why do i have to pay for it?

 

Well, we should at least show as much natural moral respect for life that animals do. But, not all humans seem to want to live up to the standards of an animal.

 

In my OPINION, once it has a heartbeat, it is a human life. Courts, doctors, zealots and politicians obviously have differing opinions.

 

Please cite the relevant portions of the Constitution that you think makes abortion legal or some kind of right.

 

This has got to be about the nuttiest horsepucky I have ever heard. The fetus does not have the ability to violate anyone's rights...it is totally dependent upon the mother. The things some of you alleged humans come up with to justify murder simply boggle the mind sometimes.

 

Oh what baloney....Did you even read the post of mine you quoted???

Animals have no morals...how silly to think they do .....and did you know that some animals eat their young.? Are you planning to eat your young so you can live up to the standards of animals??

See how silly that is....

Care to actually address the post of mine you quoted ? :

""And that may be fine for you....but not everyone is you, not everyone shares your idea of what is moral.

Many sane people realize they don't want or can't afford a child...and still get pregnant. To think only insane people have unplanned pregnancies is, well, insane.


People may think the second they are pregnant the zygote is viable but it isn't.


Maybe people should only have kids if they are responsible but the history of the world says that ain't going to happen with every person.


Why would you want irresponsible people to have kids??


It is responsible to have an abortion if you don't want or can't afford a kid.

 

Translated: "I lost the argument".


Calling opponents "" vicious, hateful, & irrational, distorting their opponent's views" while referring to abortion as infanticide, a very dishonest tactic.



I can't think of anything more vicious , hatefull, irrational and dishonest than attempting to take away people's human rights as Anti-Choicers seek to do..



BTW, I see by your last comment that the only reason you oppose abortion is because you are terrified that some of your taxes may pay for one....but

IF you were informed, if you had read the posts by Pro-CHOICERS, you 'd know that your precious pennies are protected and there are laws in place to make sure abortions are not paid for with tax dollars.

 

Thanks for your honesty....sincerely.

It is VERY rare among the "pro-lifers" to be honest and open in their views. Most would never admit to supporting EXECUTING women who self-induce an abortion....even though it would be consistent with their other views.

 

So in your opinion...it is "murder" for an abortion to occur at "heartbeat"? Yes or No?

 

Once there is a heartbeat, the fetus is human, in my opinion, and thus afforded equal protection under the law. Whether it is murder or not depends on the circumstances, based upon the law. Is there some other criteria you think should apply? Tarot cards? Rubbing Buddha's belly? A magic 8 ball?

 

The legal definition of "Murder in the first degree" is...

any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Cardiac activity in a developing fetus usually starts at the end of the 5th week.

So....if a woman self-induces an abortion....willfully and with premeditation, with the intent of destroying the fetus within her womb....at the end of the 5th week of gestation....


is that "murder in the first degree" in your opinion? Yes or No?

 

"""Once there is a heartbeat, the fetus is human,""""


What was it before the heart beat?

 

Don't give me your YES or NO bullshiite...dipstick...you are not a lawyer and I am not on a witness stand of some kangaroo court.

So this woman willfully terminated her pregnancy and admits to doing so? No mitigating circumstances? A heartbeat is confirmed?

 

I dunno...a work in progress? You tell me.

 

Gee, you know so little about something yet say so much..........not a good combination....

"I dunno " seems a funny answer when you seemed so sure of your statement, ""Once there is a heartbeat, the fetus is human""