"Abortion is murder!"...how to destroy it in 3-4 quick questions

and to add further evidence to this perception, i notice the same lame propagandists pitching the same lame propaganda to promote their bloodthirsty hobby of killing babies.

That is all it is. Abortion is taking the life of an innocent, distinct human being. They have everything they need to grow & become adult humans, if they are nurtured & protected, as we have done with our progeny for thousands of years. But we have let inhuman, barbaric deceivers creep in & distort the humanity of the unborn, & attack the defenseless. It is a pathetic tragedy of modern civilization, & future generations will look back on the barbarism of this culture & wag their heads.

 

"Yes", you'd support a woman being EXECUTED for self-inducing an abortion?

 

The Republican Congress voted to fully fund Planned Parenthood this past October....

will you continue to vote Republican?

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BTW, has everybody noticed that most of the "pro-life" responders to this thread....

have quickly tried to drag it away from the premise of the OP.....i.e. them living up to their rhetoric and confirming that they REALLY believe that abortion is "murder"...

but how almost none of them would want it prosecuted and PUNISHED as "murder" if it were illegal.

 

Yes, above bolded in blue has you saying that self defense is "masculine".


That IS sexist.


Trying to take away women's rights to their own bodies IS misogynistic.

Denigrating women, as you do constantly , IS sexist and misogynistic.

Insisting that women have to meet YOUR moral code before they can have human rights IS misogynistic.

 

you snipped my post where i addressed that, but i do consider it to be a lame deflection, to distract from the humanity of the baby.

 

That's all very dramatic but conveniently avoids the fact that abortion has been around for thousands of years.....but Anti-Choicers have a history of avoiding facts.


Future enlightened generations will look back and wag their heads at the barbaric , inhumane attempts to take away women's human rights.


Now, instead of whining about me, care to address the actual topic??

 

Note the quotations marks. Ugh. Also note that that entire post was my interpretation of Fugazzi's view, Yikes.

And who has done this? Certainly I haven't.

Constant denigrating women is something I do not feel I am guilty of at all. You just continue making stuff up, stop it please.

Firstly I actually address both men and women in all of my posts, so yeah you just keep doing the out-of-the-blue accusations and it is not nice at al. Additionally, I am just sharing my view without trying to force everyone to accept it. This is a discussion forums where people share their own opinions, that is the whole point of a debate, is it not? I am just sticking to the rules. Yikes.

 

Look who's talking.

 

Abortions are not increasing in number. The number is actually decreasing in this country, more than likely because of increased availability of contraception. Imagine how the numbers could drop if comprehensive sex ed were mandatory in all public schools along with free contraception.

Don't attribute characteristics to people associated with their gender. That's just as bad as doing it with race.

Not all women have a desire to "mother." Not all women are good at it, and as it is a lifelong commitment, it should never be forced.

Generally, people complaining about "the destructive structures" or the decline in morality are talking about how women behave. Men have always behaved that way, and while women didn't like it, they had to accept it. The development of reliable (at least somewhat reliable) birth control has given the opportunity to women to behave the way men have always behaved, and men don't like it.

 

As seen above you just can't remember what you post!!!




Unless a person feels that women have a right to their own bodies and have a right to abortions no matter what their lifestyle or reasons , they are sexist and misogynistic.

 

Great post! I especially like that last paragraph that Anti-Choicers just can't face

(Oh, those uppity women, thinkin' they can have fun sex just like men! We must stop them!) How frightened they are!!

 

I just recently said this myself in a previous post.

To a certain degree I fully agree. However, biology cannot be erased. It is a fact.

There are both physical and psychological differences between men and women due to biology that just cannot be denied. Men are more aggressive by nature and therefore commit more violent crimes, for example. Biologically speaking every woman is more emotional, caring and nurturing and "mothery" than men. I have a 4 year old cousin and looking at the way she is playing is a great indicator of this. Just recently I engaged in play with her and it was obvious she was taking the role as a "caretaker", completely natural and nothing wrong or bad with it all. A complete difference from playing with a 4 year old boy.

Ffs! Re-rea my posts. I complain about men's behavior just as much.

 

Then exactly everyone is a misogynistic sexist. Even you.

 

Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

So the only question is when does a fetus become "human". It's not any more difficult than that for honest folk.

 

Thank you, I didn't expect logic or sense from you and I wasn't disappointed .

 

Then please give me a logic and honest proof of me trying to take away woman's right to her own body.

You are just being a hysteric crybaby.

 

Oh,name calling! How fun!

Are you saying that women should be able to have an abortion no matter the circumstances of becoming pregnant?

If you want to put restrictions on who can get an abortion then you ARE trying to take away women's rights to their own bodies.


And biology is not destiny.
Just because women CAN give birth doesn't mean they have to.

See, sexists don't know that women have more than a uterus, but, sad for you, they all have brains and free will and can decide what to do all by themselves without your help.....


I see you can't handle the OP...........

 

You said you would "vote your conscious and hope there will be a moral awakening".

I'm asking you how you define "voting your conscious"....will you vote Republican...despite the fact the Republican Party "sold out" on funding Planned Parenthood? Or will you vote "Constitution Party" or something now?

Because if you continue to support the GOP....how is that "voting your conscious"?

 

It seems difficult.

I've only seen one "pro-lifer" on this thread so far who would want abortion treated the same as murder, if it were made illegal.....despite the standard "pro-life" rhetoric that "Abortion is murder!!!!"


The rest have carefully avoided answering the question.

 

It only seems difficult if you have either no moral compass or some political ax to grind. If a fetus is at the point where it is considered "human" then that fetus is protected by and subject to the same laws that you or I are. It's not rocket surgery. The hard part is coming to any kind of consensus of when a fetus is considered a human life.

 

Ah, so we agree!

Assigning characteristics to people associated with gender is a mistake. See, saying for instance, that men are taller or bigger than women is not always correct. SOME women are taller, bigger than SOME men. The same is true of nearly all characteristics, including "emotional, caring and nurturing", etc. No woman should be forced into motherhood just because MOST women want to be mothers. It's an individual choice. We should allow people to develop their individual differences and enjoy them because of them, and not force people into molds because of gender stereotyping.

I too hope that when society's moral pendulum swings the other way, men will be encouraged to raise their standards, but I hope there will never be the double standard that has existed since the beginning of time. And no excusing bad behavior on gender expectations.

 

Yep. Never have I advocated for an illegalisation. I am just seeing abortion as problematic because, as I see it, it is a result of a, as I see it, destructive structure. Lots of the behaviors that are accepted today should be stigmatized.

No one can stop anyone from doing what they want with their body. I am just saying that I personally believe that only justified abortions are the one's that follow rape, incest or when life is in danger. But of course you and everyone else are free to differ.

Kind of is.

Well duh.

Now you are doing the name-calling. You know nothing about me or how I see and treat women so shut up.

 

There is of course a line for making generalisations. Still biology cannot be denied. It is biological fact that women and men are different in many, many, many ways. And these biological facts interact with culture and human interaction and together create gender roles etc.

Thank you, OKgrannie for taking on my arguments in a civilised and nice manner even though you do not agree with me. Makes debating a whole lot nicer when it is kept honest and clean way. Cred!

 

You really like making up stuff, don't you? I have not said any of these things ever.

As stated above: Stop making stuff up. This is not att the view I present in any way whatsoever.

Certainly did not.

You called me a "sexist misogynist" that's very offensive and a harsh insult.

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Typical bully deluxe.