AFGHANISTAN - GOING, GOING ... GONE!

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America had already contributed enough to this fiasco of a war in Afghanistan. From here, Cost of the Afghanistan War:
    The "Pentagon" performed nothing to prevent this outcome, largely because any end whatsoever was destined to failure. Even under Trump, there would never be a recommitment to the use of armed-forces in Afghanistan - the US already had contributed enough to this pitiful affaire.

    The entre Afghani leadership was on the "take", and the Afghanis knew it. Why was it sooooo easy for the Taliban to just walk in and take city after city after city? Because the Afghani-army was rotten-solid. It took the Taliban ten-years to make a comeback, and they did it at precisely the right-moment!

    When even the Afghans were sick-'n-tired of their leadership, and the crookedness of the entire government was well-known. From here: Corruption in Afghanistan

    Excerpts:
    Transparency International's 2017 Corruption Perception Index ranks the country 177th place out of 180 countries. "In opinion surveys of Afghans," noted the Asia Foundation in a 2012 report, "corruption is consistently singled out as a problem."

    Uncle Sam is doing well to get out of that country, and never should have gone in. Somebody tell that to ex-PotUS GW Bush! That's what the Replicants are always about: "Where's the profit?"

    It's is their guiding-light! Evidently they thought Afghanistan would be a gold-mine for them contractually. Wrong again, guys ... !
     
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    Biden paves the way for terrorists.

    way to go racist joe
     
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    I’m getting tired of the people parroting the total cost of the war in order to paint it as a troop death trap and money pit when it no longer is.

    We’ve been virtually nothing but training and advising since 2014 when Obama declared our combat mission over.

    Our troop numbers have dwindled to 2500 in recent years.

    2500 is nothing. It’s nothing in terms of cost. We maintain 300,000 Europe alone.

    And our last casualty was a year and a half ago

    So what does this supremely cheap investment now buy us?

    It keeps the Taliban at bay
    It keep the Afghan government and it’s military cohesive
    It keeps China, Russia, Iran out
    It prevents the use of Afghanistan as a staging ground for terrorism all over the world.
    It keeps all the thousands of terrorists we have locked up there, locked up.

    that is a bargain. By any stretch of the imagination.

    so pardon me, but when people keep saying “we can’t stay there forever”, just what the hell are you all talking about? We can’t maintain 2500 forever? Why the hell not? If it buys us a great strategic location, literally bordering 3 of our 4 biggest enemies in the world, is low cost to maintain and prevents a hell of a lot of bad things from happening?

    the total cost of the war is what bought us this bargain. And now we’ve thrown it in the trash. Congratulations
     
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    Dumb. Did you want to stay forever?
     
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    It's Trump's fault. He started the negotiations with the Taliban that created a checkmate situation on the Afghan map for the Taliban. Biden's only options were either to get out of Afghanistan according to the timeline agreed to by Trump and the Taliban, or to cancel the agreements made between Trump and the Taliban, which would have led to the small number of US forces coming under heavy Taliban attack. So the US would then have had to send in large numbers of US forces to stabilize the situation.

    ;)
     
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    yes... yes... Biden does whatever Trump says. Now do the same on the Southern Border. lol

    Thanks for playing and the Orange Man Bad post. It only took 5 posts to get a Leftists to go full Orange Man Bad. What a joke.

    Nation Building is a terrible idea, unless you have a cooperative populace. We installed corrupt puppets that the people do not trust.

    Our military is for two things, destroying stuff and killing people. We go in, hit them hard, and leave with the warning that it will be worse if we have to come back. That's it.

    Blame goes to Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. The real blame goes to the parties that are both bought off by Lockheed, Raytheon, etc. There is a way to fix it.


    28th Amendment

    Only U.S. Citizens of voting age may donate to political campaigns. The limit per year is $5,000 per citizen in total contributions. A citizen may not donate to any campaign outside of their geographic impact.

    Impact:

    • No: foreign countries or citizens, corporations, unions, special interest groups can contribute.
    • This includes all ballot measures.
    • Citizens cannot donate to any politician or measure outside of their residency.

    "We the people" would win and they special interests would be a big thing of the past. This should have bipartisan support by all honest Americans.
     
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  7. Durandal

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    He has been doing the same at the southern border. But the usual propagandists keep claiming that the situation is somehow different just because Biden is in office :lol:

    Agree about the nation building and the use of the military, though. I think most Americans can agree about that.
     
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    Holy crap. Do you actually know anything about our NEW border policies? Who types such a complete fiction and believes it? Where do you get your bogus information?
     
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    But money is speech, you want an amendment to limit our 1st amendment rights?
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what this amendment deals with. Also, calling money speech was an abomination and that legal ruling needs to be overturned for the benefit of us all.

    Citizens United also sucked and should be dealt with.

    It seems you love the corrupt system where citizens have less power.
     
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    Why not keep a residual quick reaction force and air power, why is this better and be specific.
     
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    No we actually agree.
     
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    The new border policies are the old border policies. Border security is still in place and doing its job.
     
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    While we were there, terrorism from that area was down and contained to that area. Now it's a training ground again. You do remember why we went in there, correct?
     
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    Did the 911 hijackers get their fight training there? Exactly what training did they need in Afghanistan?
     
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    Because it serves no purpose.
     
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    Well done, thread killer!!
     
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    ROFL! Really... so they are vetted in Mexico? The propaganda you guys spew is ridiculous.
     
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    So you disagree with the previous president signing that we would leave by May of this year?

    It is crazy how many people that always sided with him no longer do as long as they can blame someone else.
     
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    MSNBCNN, propagandist and covert indoctrination..
     
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    So many people don't understand that returning Afghanistan to the Taliban only paves the way for the next terrorist attack on the United States.
     
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    99% of the Afghani people support a Muslim theocracy. 99%. It is America's fault for staying there for so long. Bomb them, torch the terrorists and get out. This is not rocket science.

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    And the other option was permanent occupation.
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_training_camp

    We were there because Osama was their. Did Osama have training camps? Sure. Did our enemies have training camps there? Yes, pre 2001. Is Afghanistan a place terrorist can plan and train for their next attack? It's pretty ideal now.

    Not sure why you don't seem to sense a threat. It's commensense that a greater threat is in the future....because we didn't stop this Taliban total victory. Now...we have to start completely over when the next big one happens....and Afganistan will probably play a part in it.

    But if you are OK with how things are turning out and just glad we don't have a controlling presence there....then fine.
     
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    So Trump was doing a fine job then, oh wait, he wasn't letting them run right in and bussing them/super spreaders to U.S. cities.. WAIT is it a good thing to let them all in or is it a good thing to stop illegal entry, WTF?

    Border policies is way confusing under DNC rule :wierdface::shock:
     
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