American families still adopting children from other countries

This was the latest news I happened to come across -

Olympia family's adoption of Ukrainian boy put on hold by Russian invasion
Erica Zucco, February 26, 2022, King 5 News
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/ukraine-adoption-on-hold-russia-invasion-washington/281-049c2dac-61da-44e7-b9eb-03680b5eb74c

It's about a family in Washington state who desperately wanted to adopt a child from the Ukraine, but the adoption was put on hold due to the recent conflict and large scale military action against the country by Russia.

Pro-Choice Abortion supporters often want to perpetuate the myth - or partial myth - that there are too many babies that no wants to adopt, and therefore supposedly our society doesn't need any more babies being born from mothers who do not want them, that it would only be a burden.

But obviously this is not quite entirely true. Why would families in the US be trying to adopt children from all the way from the Ukraine if there were too many unwanted babies in the US? Something is obviously not quite fitting in the picture here.

And it seems families from the US are still trying to adopt children from Eastern Europe, despite the lull in international adoptions in recent years.


I have harsh words for White women who abort, even knowing there is a loving family awaiting their child if they choose to give life.

 

People have been adopting babies from other countries for YEARS!!!!



You: """I have harsh words for White women who abort, even knowing there is a loving family awaiting their child if they choose to give life""

Name one "white" woman (or any woman) who cares about your "harsh words".... ...there aren't any


I guess your other threads didn't go too well.... so here's another of your "Hey, look over here" threads ...

 

Doesn't that suggest there may be a SHORTAGE rather than a surplus of children up for adoption?

Hmm, sounds like one less actual valid reason for abortion.

 

UNCHERRY PICKED POST : People have been adopting babies from other countries for YEARS!!!!



You: """I have harsh words for White women who abort, even knowing there is a loving family awaiting their child if they choose to give life""

Name one "white" woman (or any woman) who cares about your "harsh words".... ...there aren't any


I guess your other threads didn't go too well.... so here's another of your "Hey, look over here" threads ...

Nope, American children have been "aging out " of the system for many years.

That means that Anti-Choicers do NOT think every life is precious or they would have adopted these kids.


I don't know why Americans adopt kids from other countries....it's weird..



BUT I DO KNOW that it is NOT women's job to provide other people with kids...and YOU have NEVER PROVEN it is....like everything else you claim, there has been NO PROOF

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ABORTION OR WOMENS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES.

LOL, does starting new threads help with dodging all those unanswered question in your other threads ?

 

So people adopting proves people want to have babies? Okay. But that’s not what the abortion debate is about. It’s about whether women should have the right to carry the pregnancy themselves or adopt. Either choice is fine for a pro choice position. I don’t get what the OP is trying to insinuate that… oh I get it now. It’s a strawman! Oh that makes so much more sense now.

 

Yeah I'm not getting this "adopt foreign kids" thing either. If you're in the adoption market, buy American.

 

It's supply and demand.

Many people seem to naively assume babies are like some sort of commodity. But there are different kinds of babies. Some of them seem to be more "in demand" than others. When there are shortages of certain kinds, buyers turn to other foreign countries to try to source them.

Of course most people will have absolutely no understanding of this until they actually attempt to adopt a child. Many families who are on long waiting lists hoping to adopt one type of baby eventually decide that waiting 5 years is too long and they eventually go for a "second choice" category of baby, because they figure that is the best they can reasonably hope to get.

 

I suspect a kid will know that he was a "second choice."

 

Go to an adoption agency and ask them how long it will likely take to adopt a baby.
They will most likely tell you "Well, it depends what you're looking for."

Like I said, people who have never attempted to adopt before will likely have no idea.

 

DUH, THEY ARE...babies ( and all other ages) are bought and sold all over the world...it's very naive to think this doesn't happen.

HOW TF does this relate to abortion??

Yes, they are"Perfect White Babies"... but IF Anti-Choicers REALLY thought ALL life was precious they would take any child they could ...hypocrisy is such an UGLY thing..





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That's a silly thing to say ...why wouldn't they ???

....and no proof of this ..... no point and NO relationship to abortion...

 

As happened in my extended family, the decision was based on the idea that a child from another country would be given a chance outside of the less-than-wonderful environment they were born into. Read: third world country. Being able to not only provide a loving home, but a chance at a brighter future.

I'm not one way or another on the subject, as so many American born children live in pretty horrid conditions, but I can understand where the mindset comes from.

 

World-wide there are, or do you only care about American babies for some reason? If this couple adopted an American child rather than a Ukraine one, there would still be just as many parentless children in the world, they'd just be in a different place (and often in a worse place for parentless children, which is one of the reasons foreign adoptions are popular).

Also, while I know nothing about these parents (I can't access the article from the UK) so certainly aren't questioning them specifically, but some foreign adoptions can be about avoiding some of the checks and balances in place on in-country adoptions to ensure the adaptors are suitable and capable, which can often be difficult for a mixture of valid reasons excessive red-tape.

Why only while women? I fail to see why skin colour should be relevant at all?

 

You : ""I have harsh words for White women who abort, even knowing there is a loving family awaiting their child if they choose to give life"


So you admit that these "all life is precious " Anti-Choicers only want white babies and black women can have all the abortions they want because YOU claim no one wants to adopt them?

Where are the PRO -ADOPT Anti-choicers? Are they too PRO-White to adopt any other race??





I'll reiterate that women don't give a damn about your "harsh words"...

 

From what I've been reading, the reasons for international adoption are many. One of the things about adoption in the US, I've learned, is that many birth mothers want 'open' adoptions (that grant visitation and ongoing contact between themselves and children) and adoptive parents prefer 'closed' adoptions (that seal the information about the birth mother). Adoptive parents see international adoptions as 'safer' with respect to birth parents coming forward to take back their children.

 

Perhaps you're not aware of the issue that existed several years ago where infants and toddlers were being kidnapped from other parts of the world (or taken by deceit) to supply the American adoption market.

Furthermore, even if what you say were true, it would still be true that families who were adopting would not be getting their first choice category of baby. It's a little complicated to explain and get into in this thread but that can lead to all sorts of potential issues, like trouble forming parental bonds. And in many cases, a potential family will just decide not to adopt if they can't get a child that meets their specifications. So in that case no one wins.

 

That is not what I said. I just said that, for women who will give birth to a baby that will be in-demand on the adoption market, there are ADDITIONAL strong reasons why it is wrong for her to abort.

The Pro-Abortion excuse that "no one wants her baby" and "it is better for the entire world if she just aborts" does not apply.

 

Sure, almost certainly related to the issue I already mentioned about people not wanting to go through the process of an in-country adoption.

Regardless, we appear to be in agreement that the adoption system is far from perfect, which is part of the reason there is a shortage of willing and able adoptive parents.

 

Its not a myth. There are thousands of children that will never see the inside of a permanent, loving home. They are not babies. Some are in their teens. The myth is that those supporting government interference in ones right to bodily autonomy have a genuine concern for human life. The concern takes a steep drop once the baby takes a breath and fades over time.

 

And in many cases no one is going to adopt them anyway, whether "better" adoption options become available or not.

 

That means there are not enough people with a genuine concern for their precious little lives.

 

You think adoption is always 100% altruistic?
No, in many cases the parents who adopt are acting almost just as much out of selfishness as the woman who aborts.

There are indeed some exceptional parents who adopt for 100% non-selfish reasons, but they are less than 5% of the families who adopt.

 

Where did you get that?

 

Translation: Let the woman abort her blue-eyed blonde baby because maybe the family who would have adopted that baby will have to adopt a crack-baby teenaged kid instead.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you admit that these "all life is precious " Anti-Choicers only want white babies and black women can have all the abortions they want because YOU claim no one wants to adopt them?

NO, it is NOT WRONG for her to abort if she wants to.

AGAIN: Women are under no obligation to provide others with kids.

YOU SHOW PROOF THEY ARE SINCE THAT IS WHAT YOU CONTEND... YOU have NEVER shown that proof.

There are no "Pro-Abortion" people.

NO Pro-choicer has EVER used "no one wants her baby" as an "excuse" for abortion....NO EXCUSE IS NECESSARY.

 

So you still want kids adopted even though they won't go to good homes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!