American families still adopting children from other countries

And that "relationship" would begin as soon as the woman or abortion doctor tries to kill it.

You're actually just creating a contorted argument that relies on an equivalency fallacy, and insinuated semantics.

By your argument, maybe you would think it would be okay if you were on that island alone and someone in a boat took you out with a sniper rifle, keeping a far distance from the island and without you ever realizing they were there?

 

That would mesn there is two human beings within a social context.

 

Well, it's the same with abortion, isn't it?

Your "argument" doesn't really display how it's not.

 

The topic is
American families still adopting children from other countries


Why are you off topic? You don't like it when others do it..

 

Some people clearly seem obsessed with promoting abortion no matter what, but I wonder if any here would actually say they think aborting a baby would be a better choice than putting one up for adoption? That's at least close to the topic.

 

How is it the same? First and foremost, a fetus is not yet a human and secondly, a fetus is not part of a context that allows social interaction.

Women have rights. Accept it.

 

What do you mean by "no matter what"?

Why should she put it up for adoption if she does not want to be pregnant?

 

Maybe because she values human life?

 

She is the only human life in the equation thus her values are all that matters -- If she does not want kids, the pro-life choice is abortion.

 

Pro-abortionists trying very hard to avoid their own conscience try very hard to convince themselves of that.

 

She literally is and the only way to argue for the contrary is to evoke "God" or other mystic creatures.

 

Good luck sleeping at night.

 

Here's some scary FACTS for Anti-Choice/Anti- Women's rights people:

1. There are no "pro-abortion" people. Being pro_CHOICE is not pro-abortion nor pro-gestation, it's Pro- CHOICE. (Try a dictionary)
Pro-Choice does not favor either gestation or abortion, it favors women having the same right to bodily autonomy as EVERYONE ELSE.

2. NO one has an obligation to provide others with children. There is no law, no mandate, no writ, no document that says they do.

3. Women are human beings with the same rights as everyone else despite what Anti-Choicers want.

4. Being against abortion and against women having rights may not, in some cases, be misogyny but the results are the same.

5. I sleep fine at night

 

I do sleep very well at nights and thankfully you are not in charge, so many women do as well.

Imagine the sleeplessness of being unwillingly pregnant by force or an unchosen mother. Sadly it is the reality for many and this means you are the one who should have a hard time sleeping at night since you consider their situation to be not only an obligation, but also the morally good. You want them to suffer.

 

I do proudly call myself pro-abortion, but this is not the thread to discuss labels in. In short I can say that the reason I do not find the label problematic is that I support a woman's right to choose abortion and view abortion as a moral right.

We all know that the anti-abortion crowd's biggest concern is not really tHe iNnOcEnT cHiLdReN, but rather the fact that women are enjoying sex for the sake of sex.

Conservatives don't know what rights are.

It is at least implicit misogyny. Perhaps it is unintentional in most cases.

You are currently "unsleepingly asleep".

 

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But she also has the right to choose gestation, there needs to be two options for a "choice" to exist.

And you do not "promote" abortion as Anti-Choicers claim.

Agreed

Oh, they know what their rights are , they just don't think women are worthy to have the same rights.

That's what I tried to say here:4. Being against abortion and against women having rights may not, in some cases, be misogyny but the results are the same.
Some people may not consciously hate women but trying to destroy their rights is a form of hate.
It's like the old slave owners...they may not have consciously hated their slaves but the effect on the slaves was the same.

 

Just one of the objections to that is that it doesn't warrant a law such as the laws the Texas and others are creating.

Those laws don't address issues such as the mental and physical health of the woman, the condition of the fetus, the ability of the woman to earn a living or pay for pre/post natal care, etc.

If Texas cared about fetuses, they wouldn't make laws like they do.