American freedom based on God as monarch

…Upon the formation of the United States, the American colonists took a different tact than the typical compactual form. They separated the compact into two separate but intimately linked documents. The Declaration of Independence formed the social compact—a covenant, as it wholly relied on and called upon God’s providence in all arenas of governance. The second half came later, first under the Articles of Confederation; then later, in order to form a more perfect union, under the Constitution.

Donald Lutz explained, “The Declaration of Independence together with the first national constitution, the Articles of Confederation, were the Americans’ national compact…There was no need to replace the Declaration of Independence, since the people it created still existed. Changing the government but leaving the social compact untouched was in line not only with Locke’s theory but also with long-standing practice in America. If the social compact represented by the Declaration of Independence had not still been in effect, there would have been no basis for a new national constitution. Americans, then, still live under a national compact.”

Separating the two parts–the social compact and constitution–allowed for the Great Experiment to experiment, but retain the direct and intimate link between each part and, even more importantly from a moral construct, keep God squarely where the American Colonies placed Him, as their king. Thomas Paine in Common Sense declared God the “proper Sovereign, the King of heaven.”

All of this behavior on the part of the Continental Congress was entirely in line with the State legislatures and what they had accomplished prior to the separation from England and upon the separation from England. All of the States ratified constitutions upon the departure from the Motherland reflecting this same pattern, although generally establishing both in a single compact; thus firmly linking these two features of social compact and constitution, and, of course, obedience to God. At the national level, “Americans still live under a national compact of which the Declaration is a part. The Declaration contains the grounding for the Constitution, as well as the values underlying the American system of government.”..











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The article author is exactly right. Our Declaration of Independence and our constitution compliment each other. The constitution is the law of the land while the declaration is our national charter. We recognize the divine Providence in our success in becoming an independent nation. We recognize God as our creator. We accept that before him in His sight we are equals among each other. We recognize and acknowledge that God is the the source of all our inalienable human rights.

 

God is our King.

 

The god you were born into is your king. And that’s cool for you. Please don’t try to force your beliefs onto others.

 

And there you have it^^^! The beauty of America.

 

The King of England was considered to be appointed by God, but America chose to go against him. Of course, the Catholic Pope is considered to be the representative of God on Earth but England (and, if only by extension, America) went against his church. And they all largely ignore the Eastern Orthodox Pope who is also considered to be the representative of God on Earth.

It's almost as if simply unilaterally declaring that your way is the definitive way of God doesn't actually mean anything in practice.

 

King of an immaterial realm, perhaps. The material world that concerns such as Trump and Biden ignores the immaterial.

 

'won't trump be jealous?

"my kingdom is not of this worrld" christ

 

they came here to convert or kill the Native Americans

many thought they had a God given right to own slaves

 

That is crazy dude.

 

no doubt

 

It's noteworthy that T.Paine was a deist, a philosophical position that mostly disappeared since.

The risk about making your god a king is that because he isn't very talkative, it's the human that claim to know god's will (demagogues, preachers) that end to be the ruler, often for the worst.

 

Telling this was posted in "Political Opinions & Beliefs" section of forum.

 

The one we were all created by and born into…from the above..
“Americans, then, still live under a national compact.”

Separating the two parts–the social compact and constitution–allowed for the Great Experiment to experiment, but retain the direct and intimate link between each part and, even more importantly from a moral construct, keep God squarely where the American Colonies placed Him, as their king. Thomas Paine in Common Sense declared God the “proper Sovereign, the King of heaven.””

 

in God we trust... Am I right

 

Let's be honest. Evangelical Christians who are 28-30% of the republican party are just as much a threat to civil liberties and freedom in this country as the extreme left. Shocking really how similar they are. The left have a god it is called climate change.

Having a higher power to regulate your personal life is one thing but to also regulate others?

I have no doubt that if people like my friend Jefferson ran this country we would be in a world war with Islam. We would have the Patriot act X 10. Protesters against that war would be jailed much as they have jailed the Jan 6th people.

I have no doubt if evangelicals ran things homosexuals would be treated as Alan Turing was treated in England in the 1950s. The man was a hero whose work on code breaking may have saved a million lives but he was gay so he was given a choice of prison or chemical castration. He chose the latter but it effected his intellect and his work so he killed himself with cyanide.

Do not lie and say this would not happen. It is in your little book. The literal words of the invisible grandpa in the sky.

 

belongs in "humor."

most of the founders were free masons, and deists. i think the deists did not disappear, but now mostly think of themselves as "agnostics."

the "chockmaker god" of deism contrasts nicely with this "god is king business." there is no "personal relationship" with the clockmaker and he certainly does not care who wins a footnall game.

My understanding of the active nature of God generally falls along the "Clockmaker" line of thinking. (I have in fact self-identified as a deist in the past.) In my view, God set up an orderly, rational universe that moves according to the laws of nature as initiated by God. God wants us to understand the world around us, so that we might not live in fear and darkness, so he lets the world run according to nature. He may not cause hurricanes, but he doesn't stop them either, and he has given us brains and abilities to be able to avoid and survive the worst nature has to offer.

 

God is an invention of the human mind. Holy books like the bible were written by human beings. Dirty smelly desert men.

The concept of an invisible grandpa in the sky and heaven and eternal life is moronic to me. People can believe what you want but there is no way the god squad would allow real freedom of religion in this country if they had the power.

 

You know how you don’t believe in all those other gods? That’s how I don’t believe in yours too. But I support your right to believe in whichever god you want to as long as you don’t shove him down my throat. To each his own….right???

 

I agree. From what I observe, I would consider that some people who would have belonged to deism are now atheist. Probably that the jump from christianity toward atheism was too long.
18th century was also on some aspects a very optimistic century, they had a real "faith" in reason, logic. It would be false to pretend that before there was no trust in logic and reason, the writtings of Thomas Aquinas are a proof that many people of middle age believed that the existence of god could be proven out of pure logic.
But the 18th century went a little bit further, many dreamed of a religion without priests or hierarchy, where the understanding of the divinity would be constructed purely on reason, and not on the authority of the clergy, dogmatism, and blind faith.
That optimism and belief that there was something deeply sacred in humanity led to the declaration of the human rights. It's really an interesting part of history.

 

Perfect!

 

the step from public prayer to inquisition of heretics is not a long one. once you accept that a supreme being is communicating directly to your leader you are in waco or jonestown.

 

Would an evangelical government be tolerant of other religions? Let's ask the sage Pat Robertson who compares Buddhists to an infectious disease.



Pat ran for president remember in 1988. Imagine him as president with a like minded congress, senate and SC.

Pat's enlightened view on gays.



Let's not forget the evangelical response to 9/11. They blamed the victims who died! They blamed Americans!

 

Religion and tolerance….like oil and water

 

The difference between the Founding Fathers and you is that they accepted that there was a god, and you have turned that into God is your God. Do you see the difference?

 

Many still do....they just celebrated destroying some people's right to bodily autonomy...