American freedom based on God as monarch

Nope, sorry.

 

As usual you and your source(s) have flown off the handle and WAY overstated your case. The "Declaration Of Independence" is MOSTLY a listing of Colonial grievance against England's King George and his government.

"WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World."

It then lists the grievances against King George and his government, not once mentioning god, but constantly and consistently referring to themselves.

And closes with

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.


God is mentioned 4 times as the source of mankind's power; fair enough, men have power from God over themselves. But the Declaration goes to extremes, more than18 times, to make it clear that This Independence and future Government IS BY, OF AND FOR the PEOPLE!!!!

The framers went to extremes to separate Church and State, giving ALL AmeriCANs the right to worship as they choose, NEVER, EVER mentioning any one religion, or NOT as an option.

GOD may be YOUR KING, fine. BUT, America has NO king, and was designed PURPOSELY that way. Our founders, no matter their religious faith, had seen the evils of kings and wanted no part of one for THEIR Country.

AMERICA ... IS ... OUR ... COUNTRY!!!!

 

Nope. It’s as he said, in America we worship God, not government.

 

He's wrong again; Constitutionally, as Americans, we worship as we choose ... or not.

 

the closest thing to "worshipping government" " in america is the trump cult.

 

There is no Eastern Orthodox pope. There is an Ecumenical Patriarch, but I have never heard him referred to as the representative of God on Earth.
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The ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople is first among equals, or first in honor among all Eastern Orthodox bishops, who presides in person—or through a delegate—over any council of Orthodox primates or bishops in which he takes part and serves as primary spokesman for the Orthodox communion especially in ecumenical contacts with other Christian denominations. He has no direct jurisdiction over the other patriarchs or the other autocephalous Orthodox churches, but he, alone among his fellow primates, enjoys the right of convening extraordinary synods consisting of them or their delegates to deal with ad hoc situations and has also convened well-attended pan-Orthodox synods in the last 40 years. His unique role often sees the ecumenical patriarch referred to as the spiritual leader[13][17] of the Orthodox Church in some sources, though this is not an official title of the patriarch nor is it usually used in scholarly sources on the patriarchate. The Orthodox Church is entirely decentralized: it has no central authority, earthly head, or single bishop in a leadership role. Because it has a synodical system canonically, it is significantly distinguished from the hierarchically organized Catholic Church, whose doctrine is papal supremacy and whose head is the pope. His titles primus inter pares. 'first among equals', and "ecumenical patriarch" are of honor rather than authority, and in fact the ecumenical patriarch has no real authority over churches other than the Constantinopolitan.[19][20][21][22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumenical_Patriarch_of_Constantinople

 

It would appear that this is no longer what others want for all Americans.

 

You are not right.

 

Sorry, I mixed it up with the Coptic Orthodox Church. Regardless, my general point still stands.

 

Wrong. The secular progressive elites set of the state or the government with them in charge of it to be the focus of worship in their new liberal order.

 

So! that's what you look like.

 

No, it is a composite of the typical atheist, particlrly those on the Internet

 

Amen. It no longer surprises me as the number of people, that have to log on to declare their haterd and ridicule of a Being they claim not to beleive in. Just a note, If you are not on God's side, then you are on Satan's side, whether acknowledge it or even know

 

No, no, no no no!



That's your "typical" American Liberal Patriot, probably an agnostic due to the likes of you..

 

Your problem is you don't have to go to church to believe in God. I prefer being alone in the wilderness .... didn't Jesus do that?

 

The likes of me? Really?

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So who is "bashing religion"?

Or is this another one of those battles that only exists in the believers' minds?

 

ridiculous.

 

You don't get to say so.

 

no one spending time trying to debunk your myth you just keep trying to push your myth in all the wrong places... this is a political board, not a religions one

 

Unfortunately, I don't fit your paradigm, I'm not an atheist. I just don't believe in religion. I have no problem with people that are true believers and live what they believe. I don't know what you believe but you're no Christian; Matthew 25:12.

Christ save me from Christians!

 

i dont believe any human being can really comprehend an infinite being, thomas merton said something to the effect of although he could not be certain of gods will, he hoped the DESIRE to please god would suffice...some organized church's are so overly corrupt, JESUS TAUGHT love and tolence, not hate and intolerence

 

Actually, he’s exactly right and it’s not just Him or me that says so. God Himself has said so.