An Arab perspective on the world

Ooops, wrong again easy enough mistake to make but it was actually Goebells. Who interestingly enough was the only top Nazi who ever got excommunicated from the Catholic Church, his heinous crime? He married a protestant! So fickle you christians!

 

Welcome to the forum PFLPalestinian. I agree with you that a one state solution is the only possibility now given that it has been Israel's choice to make a two state one impossible. The question is how to get the citizenship for all and equal rights for all. Look forward to getting to know you.

 

Hopefully the percentages will remain small.. and once Syria settles down many will return home.

Most of the ME is not dangerous.. Lebanon, the Gulf States, Jordan.. aren't dangerous for Americans.

How did you fix on base jumping?

 

Oh dear, where to we start with that? Let's start at the end, the presumption the New Testament contains a believable description of Christ's central message and that none of the disciples altered it and Rome didn't get it's dirty hands on the text we now have. As to your cherry picking parts of the Old Testament I hope that indicates an understanding that not every word in the Bible is the word of God.Bible study classes? Again you presume unjustifiably.
I'm tempted to quote that often misused passage, Thessolonians Ch: 2. V:11. but that would be too easy so how about :-"And if any man think that he knoweth anything,he knoweth nothing yet he ought to know" Corinthians Ch:8.V:2.

 

Jesus wasn't a fighter.. He did not align himself with the zealots or the Siccari .. he taught non-violent liberation in the Sermon on the Mount.

 

I look forward to leaving all this biblical 'certainty' behind and hearing from our Australian/ Palestinian friend what really is going on in that part of the world. I have a friend, Australian/Israeli &Jewish but not a zionist, living in Nth Israel who fills me in on that side of things so it will be really interesting to hear another 'insider' view. The media certainly don't paint a very accurate picture.

 

Margot I was trying to prove Hitlers antisemitism was rooted in christianity by using his quotes, you have completely lost me with your reply.

 

Oops... Hitler was like Trump.. He would say anything in the moment if he thought he could move the people..

 

plopping european jews down in the middle of palestine was probably not a good idea but on the other hand what to do with them. I suspect being on a war footing is how both sides make a living. probably best to push both sides away from the teet.

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at the simplest level the bible breaks down to do you want new testamant or old.....kind of like the koran.

 

He might have stolen the prophets; he certainly made efforts to mesh his actions with their prophesies.

The Jewish beliefs, he just had enough sense to leave alone.

 

Wow, a Christian who think Jesus ripped stuff off other beliefs. Now I've seen everything....

 

We think over here; we don't just memorize old religious texts.

Islam should try it sometime.

 

Humorous; every time I ask a Christian a complicated question, he replies: "you gotta have faith."

Christianity is devoid of reason; that's why the Enlightenment drove it into irrelevancy. Islam relies on both faith and reason, which is why it survived the Islamic Golden Age.

We have opposite histories, you see.

 

haha....islam has 7 universes.

 

As does Judaism...haha?

 

um no, it does not.

 

Much of the most beautiful Christian art was created during the Enlightenment. We know this because so far the Islamics haven't gotten around to destroying it.

Aristotle, the Scholastics, and then St Augustine covered the territory you're babbling on about in the Middle Ages.

In the West, the religious offshoot of Alchemy eventually evolved one branch into Chemistry, as our priests and ministers didn't manage to murder all our alchemists the way Islam apparently did.

In another branch, many of us have moved on to Jungian psychology and other interesting things...

The Christians you've been arguing with probably just don't know enough to realize faith is the easiest and therefore most egalitarian form of meditation.

Picking on the peanut gallery, are you?

 

Margot should read Mark Mason's "The Christian Holocaust:A Critical Study of Organised Religion"
"It is and act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by such means the interest of the church might be promoted" Eusebius in his Ecclessiastical History.

 

Although I have little regard for Jungian psychology I find his two works on Alchemy amongst the very best on the subject.Hard to locate but most decent university libraries have copies.

 

I do not care what you call it, it would be better for the Arabs,rather then living in Arab countries, that is for sure. Those places are where the so called Palestinians originated, so why not go back to their homelands.

 

I wanted to show, at least in my opinion, how dangerous it would be for some like me and my family to visit virtually anywhere in the Mid-East (Israel as well)---so I compared it to base jumping.

Now how well do you think I would be received walking down the streets of Beirut, Cairo or Amman wearing a large American flag on my jacket, a Christian cross around my neck and an National Rifle Association cap on my head?

I would almost certainly be a victim of a hate crime.

 

by your logic, the Ashkenazi Jews should go back to Europe

 

Easy to take things out of context:

Now concerning things sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies. 2If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know;…

Paul also said, "...Let us eat drink and be merry because tomorrow we die..."

Are people like you any different than the people back 2,000 years ago who created and added their own ideas to the gospels? Of course the books that didn't meet the test were edited-out.

 

What test is that?
Context? The biblical apologetics tired old cop out. Doesn't work with me. On the othe hand, the bible, including the New Testament, is so full of contradictions you can find a passage to justify almost anything . We can also become totally confused about what happened where and when. Take for instance Jesus' first sermon. was it 'plain' or 'mount'?
Luke Ch: 6. V: 17-20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."
Matthew Ch: 5: V.1-2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

 

Ashkenazim Jews are decedents of the Hebrews who were forced out by the Romans, so Israel is their land. In any case if the Arabs are strong enough to force them out...so be it.