An Arab perspective on the world

Well, if you are so worried about Christ's exact locations during his sermons and not the content of his sermons then you may as well follow Buddah, Allah, any Hindu God, or worship yourself as a God.

 

The Jews were never forced out by the Romans, except from Jerusalem at worst. Many of the Palestinians are thought to be the descendants of Jews who converted to Christianity or Islam.

 

Interesting
Yes, mostly rebels were targeted for death or slavery
The jewish identity and religion were actively suppressed in Palestine after the third jewish revolt
So that, as you say, many jews living in Palestine found it expedient to leave behind their jewish identity... Thus, over time, these people were absorbed into the newly dominant cultures

Ironically, jewish identity and religion were more easily maintained in various diaspora communities ... Like babylon. Hence the shift from temple judaism to rabbinic judaism

 

Is that a typo or does it really say that?

 

Nice theory, but very little in way of evidence.

 

More Jews lived outside of Palestine than inside by the time of Christ..

There were large Jewish communities in Rome, Alexandria, Damascus and all around the Med Sea. The claim of a forced diaspora is a lie.

 

No there is plenty of evidence that the Jews at worst migrated internally to Galilee.
http://ilanziv.com/2013/11/11/searching-for-exile-a-myth-or-reality-the-debate/
http://ilanziv.com/2013/04/28/the-exiling-of-my-film-exile-a-myth-unearthed-in-the-bbc-2/

It is generally accepted by historians that the exile of the Jews is a myth, I am surprised you are not aware of it!

 

Well thank you for your opinion, in any case my second statement makes your argument moot.

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That is just not true.

 

Israel couldn't support a large population.. so the Jews left.. Joshua's huge armies is also a crock.. and there's plenty of evidence for both.

Jews lived on Elephantine Island in the Nile river 500 years before the birth of Christ..

Read up on the Jews of Damascus or Alexandria.

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Jews settled in Alexandria at the beginning of the third century B.C.E. (according to Josephus, already in the time of Alexander the Great)

 

Doesn't anyone see the Real Irony here?

It's the Palestinians who are NOT in majority exiled or refugees [either], [despite their UNRWA status/fallacious common description], but who are 'internally displaced' from one part of Old Palestine to another. And most of the rest a few miles away in neighbor states, on just another indistinguishable arid local landscape.
A/any 700,000 who became 5 million would have to had moved a few miles anyway.
Same distance they are now basically.

Perhaps it will take a few thousand years to realize that as well.

My.. lots of discussion in this section, not just intros.

 

Welcome, I look forward to hearing more of your perspective in the general forums.

 

Again thank you for your fantasies....

 

Oh it is true, and you can provide zero evidence to contradict it.

The Myth of Forced Exile by Rome

Despite the double destruction of Jerusalem in the first and second wars, there was no forced exile. Rome did not expel all Jews from the province. They allowed any Jew who had not rebelled to remain. After the second war, no Jews were permitted to reside in Jerusalem or its environs. This, in turn, led to these survivors fleeing north and taking up residence in the flourishing Jewish towns of the Galilee.

They were joined by rabbis who moved their religious academies there and created a form of Jewish continuity with what had previously existed. They in turn created new rituals like the Passover haggadah and seder, which affirmed that despite the Temple’s destruction, Jews maintained a direct connection to the revelation of the Torah on Mount Sinai.

This was a radical concept because in Judaism, before the Temple’s loss, religious worship meant offering sacrifices and making pilgrimage three times a year during the major holidays to the site of the Temple in Jerusalem. These new traditions comforted Jews by showing them they could maintain their religion despite this traumatic loss.

The assumption that if Jerusalem died, then Jewish life in Israel died with it falsifies the reality for Jews on the ground. Thus, a fundamental premise of Zionist history–exile and the centrality of Jerusalem to Jewish survival–is proven to be a myth. Jews couldn’t return from exile after 2,000 years because they never left.

But the modern Zionist narrative has Rome exiling the entire population of Judea as punishment for the revolt. This, in turn, leads to the far-flung Jewish Diaspora and the yearning of these Jews over the centuries to return to their ancient homeland.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/11/07/israel-and-exile-a-nation-in-need-of-a-founding-myth/

The problem is that it shows what lies have been sown by Zionism, but any Rabbi will tell you the truth.

 

In Roman times about 10,000 Jews lived at Damascus, governed by an ethnarch.[4] Paul of Tarsus succeeded, after a first rebuff, in converting many of the Jews of Damascus to Christianity (49 AD).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Syria

 

Just because some Jews remained, does not mean most were not deported.

 

This is all sort of interesting from an historical perspective, but there is absolutely ZERO way for this to affect decisions made today.

People who own property get to keep their property. That is the international agreement of members of the UN. In fact, they get to keep their property even if they have to flea for a time in order to avoid the dangers of war.


For example, if borders change, it does NOT change the ownership of property - the residents of property that becomes part of another state simply become citizens of that other state.


The ethnic cleansing that Israel is carrying out in West Bank has absolutely no legal justification. It is purely a humanitarian crime.

 

Jewish Exile from Israel is a myth and not accepted history at all and you will find zero evidence to support it, You can pretend, but you cannot produce any evidence to support it. A lie, no matter how often said is still a lie!

 

Of course its a lie.. and educated Jews have always known its a lie.

 

Like I said I do not have to provide evidence for what is accepted history, it is self evident. Moving on....

 

Accepted history is what exists in the history books, not what you think. So you can repeat the lie as often as you like, you can claim it is accepted history by you, but the facts remain and that fact is that Jewish exile is a myth. You cannot produce any evidence to the contrary whether you want to or not, because there isn't any. You are of course welcome to continue to be ignorant, many people find life easier like that.

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Accepted history is what exists in the history books, not what you think. So you can repeat the lie as often as you like, you can claim it is accepted history by you, but the facts remain and that fact is that Jewish exile is a myth. You cannot produce any evidence to the contrary whether you want to or not, because there isn't any. You are of course welcome to continue to be ignorant, many people find life easier like that.

 

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The discussion WAS "historical perspective".. on Exiles from Palestine.
I was delighted I could point out the Irony and Nonsense terminology of the current 'exiles,' who are also 'internally displaced', not really refugees in the traditional sense. Yet they are by far the most famous and obsessively pampered exiles of any in history.

So Sudeten Germans own property in Czechoslovakia? (1945)
Pakistani Partitioners own property in India? (1947)
In fact, in both those situations there are treaties saying: 'tough noogies.'
Virtually all Other post WWII refugees were absorbed, not returned.
This right (RoR etc), like so many others that sound universal, seems only invoked on Israel.

Even as an overall and historic Israel supporter, I have to say what they're doing now is indeed ethnic cleansing.
Looks like Netanyahu wants to just close them out.
Of course, that was Not the case with many of the past leaders who made offers to the Palestinians.

 

Yes, there have been offers in the range of 15 years ago that probably should have been accepted, knowing what we know now.

But, I don't really see that as an excuse.

Today, Israel is in full control. And, Palestine is being led by Abbas, who is lauded by the IDF as their primary partner in security, although his land is occupied, his people live under Israeli military law, and he is not allowed the kind of forces that would be necessary to guarantee perfect acquiescence from his people.

Very seriously, I do not see what Palestine can do at this point.