An armed society is a paranoid society

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    If I recall Gandhi condemned the Brits disarming the native Indian population
     
  2. Grau

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    Where did I say that the "Americans won the war"?

    The Eastern Front was the more bloody of the two fronts.
     
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    Which the US did support logistically
     
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    Most people are unaware that Stalin was building up and getting in offensive positions to roll, Westward, through Europe on "M Day" (for “Mobilization Day”).(*)

    German intelligence networks discovered this and that's why Germany decided to strike before M Day.

    Hitler also sent Hess to meet with Churchill with an additional peace offer to withdraw from France and other conquered Western territories for a free hand in fighting the spread of communism. (1)

    Since Churchill and FDR had succeeded in drawing a reluctant America into another European War, Churchill rejected this additional peace offer(2) because he wanted Germany destroyed.

    There's a lot more to WW 2 than what Hollywood shows us.

    Thanks,



    (*) "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"
    https://www.counter-currents.com/201...onquer-europe/

    EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory.

    Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe.

    In his second book on the origins of the war, “M Day” (for “Mobilization Day”), Suvorov details how, between late 1939 and the summer of 1941, Stalin methodically and systematically built up the best armed, most powerful military force in the world — actually the world’s first superpower — for his planned conquest of Europe. Suvorov explains how Stalin’s drastic conversion of the country’s economy for war actually made war inevitable.

    Stalin instead wanted the Soviet regime to take advantage of occasional “armistices” in the global struggle to consolidate Red military strength for the right moment when larger and better armed Soviet forces would strike into central and western Europe, adding new Soviet republics as this overwhelming force rolled across the continent."CONTINUED


    (1) "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html

    EXCERPT "Mr Padfield, who makes the claims in a new book, Hess, Hitler and Churchill, said: “This was not a renegade plot. Hitler had sent Hess and he brought over a fully developed peace treaty for Germany to evacuate all the occupied countries in the West.” CONTINUED


    (2) "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"
    https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940-ebook/dp/B00M5K8OEM

    EXCERPT " Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

    The author lists all of Hitler’s offers in detail, complete with quotes, starting with his first offer of May 17, 1933," CONTINUED
     
  5. Sage3030

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    For someone who claims to know so much about our laws, you show that you don’t.

    There is only one way to CHANGE the constitution, and that’s by getting the necessary votes of the states. There are, however, two ways to officially REQUEST a change to the constitution, and both require the same thing for the constitution to change: enough states must approve it. So it doesn’t matter if the legislature decides they want a new amendment or to repeal one, they have to get enough states to vote their way or it doesn’t happen.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read the link, all the info is in there.
     
  7. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well there is a third way. FDRs pet monkeys on the supreme court proved that. The court just ignores all the proper ways of applying the constitution and make up what it says or allows
     
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    If I carry a spare tire and tools to change a tire in my vehicle or have car insurance, does that mean I am parinoid? At what threshold point does being prepared for contingencies become identified as paranoia?
     
  9. Sage3030

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    I’m guessing you didn’t. There is only one way to CHANGE the constitution and that requires enough states to be on board with the change and vote yes. The constitution CANNOT be changed any other way.

    There are multiple ways to ASK for a change, however, those requests have to be ratified by the states.

    “In order to prevent arbitrary changes, the process for making amendments is quite onerous. An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/

    I did the bolding.

    Request and propose does not mean the change occurs. The change occurs after 3/4 of the states(or the conventions in each state) vote yes. If they vote no, there is no new amendment.
     
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  10. Nonnie

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    I did, all the info is in the link.
     
  11. Sage3030

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    So what is the only way that the constitution changes?
     

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