Anthony Fauci approved the research that created Covid in a Wuhan lab.

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    now you sound like CCP guilty until proof innocence. ;)
     
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    I categorized your position.
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    If they have nothing to hide. The antibodies would be present for any survivors of Covid.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    yes and if the antibody back in late 2019 sure, but its been a year and half. who knows when did ppl get it, is it in 2019 or this year. beside its not like china gonna allow american to poke their scientist. imagine if china want to poke american scentist from fort detrick, you think our government gonna allow that.
     
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    That's why it shouldn't be an outside threat. It should be the outside.

    Also I find it difficult to believe that as an American, I have been censored, for the last year, for suggesting that Covid came from a lab, but the Chinese have been free to discuss any topic.
     
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    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    You ask them when they got it, and then you verify it with hospitals, neighbors, cctv, credit card purchases etc.

    And it shouldn't be just Americans, it should be the world. At least those of us who want to live.
     
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    ToddWB Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you can expect that new and even more deadly viruses will "escape",

    Look at that was gained by the totalitarians with this WhuFlu
    Control of people to the extent no-one tho't possible, destruction of the West and the capitalist system and the eradication of millions of smelly, dirty, proles. The rich and powerful are all for it, they have theirs and getting rid of a few billion humans would just make th eworld so much more.. uh... sustainable.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    and you think china just gonna let american access to chinese bank/cctv/credit card info lol. what world are you living on. right now its not the world, the rest mostly quite, only us want in-depth investigation, china basically said WHO already done it, so no.
     
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    chinese are nationalistic, are you need to see what chinese thinks, just goto here where oversea chinese discuss about it.
    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/...ead-no-unsubstantiated-rumours.8679/page-1331
     
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    Obviously there are ways to get the information. I'm positive that China didn't want the world to know that 3 of its Wuhan workers came down sick. But we still found out.

    Also I'm pretty sure it's not just the US. Australia comes to mind. Others can be brought on board easily.
     
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    Very unaware of anyone on the left who opposes an investigation into the origins of Covid. Are you sure you have your facts right in regards to this claim?
     
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    "QUESTION ASKED, BUT NOT YET ANSWERED": What Did Fauci Tell Trump About Wuhan?

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/453672/

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    Lying while conducting his official duties is a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1001 - punishable by upto 5 years in prison.​
    That appears unlikely.
     
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    As many now know Fauci(Thanks Tucker, Rand Paul, NY Post) received an email from from a virologist who said the virus very well might have come from the Wuhan lab. That was Feb 2020! Fauci went into immediate damage control including an email to Dr Baric in North Carolina in which he used the words "gain of function".

    We now know that our tax dollars were used for gain of function research here and in China and that Fauci was lying under oath to the senate when he denied this to Rand Paul.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/03/fauci-emails-prove-he-knew-of-wuhan-research-sen-paul/

    So while people like Rand Paul has been fighting to get to the truth of how this killer virus attacked the world lying libocrats and their allies could only suppress speech and call people racists and take the side of the Chinese government. .
     
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    So, instead of using RW disinformation sources, anyone can look up the actual grant information:

    https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R01-AI110964-06

    Daszak, Peter
    Ecohealth Alliance, Inc., New York, NY, United States


    Abstract:
    "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence Novel zoonotic, bat-origin CoVs are a significant threat to global health and food security, as the cause of SARS in China in 2002, the ongoing outbreak of MERS, and of a newly emerged Swine Acute Diarrhea Syndrome in China. In a previous R01 we found that bats in southern China harbor an extraordinary diversity of SARSr-CoVs, some of which can use human ACE2 to enter cells, infect humanized mouse models causing SARS-like illness, and evade available therapies or vaccines. We found that people living close to bat habitats are the primary risk groups for spillover, that at one site diverse SARSr-CoVs exist that contain every genetic element of the SARS-CoV genome, and identified serological evidence of human exposure among people living nearby. These findings have led to 18 published peer-reviewed papers, including two papers in Nature, and a review in Cell. Yet salient questions remain on the origin, diversity, capacity to cause illness, and risk of spillover of these viruses. In this R01 renewal we will address these issues through 3 specific aims:
    Aim 1. Characterize the diversity and distribution of high spillover-risk SARSr-CoVs in bats in southern China. We will use phylogeographic and viral discovery curve analyses to target additional bat sample collection and molecular CoV screening to fill in gaps in our previous sampling and fully characterize natural SARSr-CoV diversity in southern China. We will sequence receptor binding domains (spike proteins) to identify viruses with the highest potential for spillover which we will include in our experimental investigations (Aim 3).
    Aim 2. Community, and clinic-based syndromic, surveillance to capture SARSr-CoV spillover, routes of exposure and potential public health consequences. We will conduct biological-behavioral surveillance in high-risk populations, with known bat contact, in community and clinical settings to 1) identify risk factors for serological and PCR evidence of bat SARSr-CoVs; & 2) assess possible health effects of SARSr-CoVs infection in people. We will analyze bat-CoV serology against human-wildlife contact and exposure data to quantify risk factors and health impacts of SARSr-CoV spillover.
    Aim 3. In vitro and in vivo characterization of SARSr-CoV spillover risk, coupled with spatial and phylogenetic analyses to identify the regions and viruses of public health concern. We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential. We will combine these data with bat host distribution, viral diversity and phylogeny, human survey of risk behaviors and illness, and serology to identify SARSr-CoV spillover risk hotspots across southern China. Together these data and analyses will be critical for the future development of public health interventions and enhanced surveillance to prevent the re-emergence of SARS or the emergence of a novel SARSr-CoV.

    Public Health Relevance
    Daszak, Peter Renewal: Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence Project Narrative Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the US and globally, as was demonstrated by the SARS coronavirus pandemic of 2002-03. This project seeks to understand what factors allow coronaviruses, including close relatives to SARS, to evolve and jump into the human population by studying viral diversity in their animal reservoirs (bats), surveying people that live in high-risk communities in China for evidence of bat-coronavirus infection, and conducting laboratory experiments to analyze and predict which newly-discovered viruses pose the greatest threat to human health."

    For those of you, who don't know how NIH funding works: The grant applications are peer-reviewed in expert panels, who make a recommendation to the NIH. Whether a grant is funded or not is decided in a council meeting. Of course, the head of the agency has veto power, but rarely gets involved in individual funding decisions.

    Second, the NIH does not fund investigators outside of the US, with the exception of Israel. If money goes outside of the US, it is through a collaboration, which has to be individually approved. In this case, close to $700,000 over several years went to China, in a collaboration, because it makes sense to get data from a place where bat-to-human virus transmission is much more likely than in the US.

    So, if anyone would point to the language in the abstract that would suggest gain of function research and would lead to a withdrawal of the funding, please do so. As a matter of fact, Obama specifically outlawed gain of function research, at which point the funding to this grant was paused, but later re-instated after additional review. It seems to me, everything was done here using proper channels, and there is nothing to hide.
     
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    Yet the virus itself was made to be more contagious and lethal . The Chinese military was also involved. Using ‘proper’ channels is what is called plausible deniability.
     
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    Fauci keeps saying it most likely made the evolutionary leap from bats to humans. Fine, great, good, so where are the bats infected with COVID-19? If the virus leaped to humans, there should be millions of bats with the same exact virus that is affecting millions of humans.
     
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    it was "likely" from bat, then pass on some other animal then to Human. its very difficult to locate the bat consider the area they need to cover is size of texas, and china is not actively looking for it. judging by ppl here we dont want any cooperation with chinese scientist as well. so how do you expect to find the bat or whatever the middle animal it is
     
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    There isn't a single one.

    Fauci is a liar.

    The Lab-Leak Theory: Investigating Fauci's COVID "Can Of Worms"
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    "If the pandemic started as part of a lab leak, it had the potential to do to virology what Three Mile Island and Chernobyl did to nuclear science..."
    It's important to determine how the disease that will likely kill 4 million people got loose, so we can be sure we have proper safeguards in place, but, one big obstacle has been Conflicts of Interest throughout the US Government
    It is nearly beyond belief what an separate and distinct Interest Group our Federal Government has become rather than an agent serving the will of the American People.
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    Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the CDC, received death threats from fellow scientists after telling CNN he thought the virus likely escaped from a lab. “I expected it from politicians. I didn’t expect it from science,” he said.​
    A picosecond is the time that it takes for the speed of light to travel the diameter of a human hair.
    Cover Up.
     
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