Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    As I noted, I prefer medical expertise to ideological dogma with a transparent agenda.

    The New England Journal of Medicine is a respected, conservative medical journal, and reflects the consensus of epidemiologists regarding what is known concerning the origin of SARS-CoV-2.
     
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    What have they said about the origin of the Covid virus? Nothing.
     
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    That's correct, for folks who have the capacity to detect bullshit, they have no interest in hearing it because they probably have better things to do with their time. Others...not so much.
     
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    It’s difficult to detect BS if you don’t inspect for it. Why would such an estimate be made? What is the rationale behind making the estimate? This might help:


    “The same thing holds true for my vaccine as the culprit for the increase in Sudden deaths and All-Cause Mortality in 2021 and 2022. First our CDC data that we sourced showing a spike in millennial excess deaths into the third quarter, then a SOA report that came out in August with table 5.7 confirming our CDC data, and now this SOA September 12 report comes out as I was writing this section of the book and had to add the analysis immediately. Since the CDC data presented by me on independent media in March it has been my contention that the vaccine mandates announced in late summer and the anticipation of the executive order in September of 2021 caused a massive uptake of the vaccine hesitant resulting in excess mortality among young healthy millennials ages 25-44. The vaccine to me was the only plausible explanation which we unfortunately are not allowed to address on the mainstream media. Now having set the frame that a 2016 industry study indicates that the group life insured population historically has a much lower mortality rate than the US population pre COVID (30-40%) we now are presented with the September 2022 SOA report which indicates that this same employed population flipped to an 8% higher rate of excess mortality versus its baseline in 2021 than the general US population excess mortality versus its baseline in 2021. Did the virus mutate and decide to kill much healthier people in 2021? Did the virus decide to disproportionally target the employed rather than the unemployed? Did the virus decide to disproportionally target insured employees versus uninsured employees? Obviously this evidence is very compelling that something new and novel was happening to insured, working employees in 2021 that did not happen in the years prior to 2020 when COVID was raging. Using rudimentary deductive reasoning there is only one thing changed in 2021 and it wasn’t the virus which was becoming less virulent. The employed insured population was forced to take an experimental vaccine product to maintain their employment—even if they were hesitant, or had a medical or religious objection—while those who were unemployed or retired had a choice.”

    — "Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 (Children’s Health Defense) by Ed Dowd
    https://a.co/fCfoFqx
     
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    I'll continue to respect the conservative medical journal and the consensus of epidemiologists concerning what is known about the origin of SARS-CoV-2.

    Ron Paul is a notorious ideologue with no qualifications as an epidemiologist.

    What are Ed Dowd's and Amy Kelly's qualifications? I am unaware of the credentials of either.
     
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    Trump fully supported the development of vaccines. His warp speed policies allowed rapid development and distribution. But there was no need for people at extremely low risk for vaccination. And there was no need for those who had natural immunity via previous Covid infection to be vaccinated.
     
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    Investigations by the FBI and DOE confirm that the origin of the virus was the Wuhan lab.

    Rand Paul is a medical doctor. Edward Dowd is currently a Founding Partner of Phinance Technologies, a global macro alternative investment firm. Amy Kelly is the Program Director for the War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Project. She oversees the approximately 3,250 volunteers who are reviewing, analyzing, and reporting on the court-ordered, FDA-released Pfizer documents, as well as overseeing the approximately 250 volunteer attorneys who are identifying legal actions to be taken based on findings from the Pfizer documents.
     
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    None has any qualifications as an epidemiologist. I respect the consensus of medical experts in their areas of expertise.

    I don't jump to conclusions that fit with any ideological agenda before there is scientific confirmation.

    ... There are plenty of unanswered questions about the outbreak's potential origins. These questions that remain challenging for scientists, in part, due to instances of obfuscation by Chinese authorities. Increasingly, however, arguments in favor of a lab leak are made by invoking unproven conclusions by intelligence agencies that do not show their work. It is entirely possible these agencies have evidence that deeply undercuts the Huanan market origin, or that scientifically supports a lab incident.

    Until these agencies provide more details to possibly substantiate their findings, however, the publicly available, scientific evidence continues to support a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2.

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/03/03/fbi-doe-covid-origin/
     
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    Dowd analyzes data for a living. There is an 8% increase in mortality for the most healthy demographic in the US. This is confirmed by the SOA. Why is that? Why was that not made public and investigated?

    Kelley heads a team analyzing the Pfizer testing documents. Why was the vaccine not tested on those most at risk for covid - those over 70 with one or more of the CDC listed preconditions.

    Scientists have analyzed the covid virus. The conclusion is that it is manmade and it came from the Wuhan Lab. This is all documented in Paul's book.
     
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    Thousands of Americans died unnecessarily because of the lies concerning the vaccines that had been spread by ideologues.

     
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    The ideologue's claims have not been confirmed by medical experts in virology, epidemiology and/or public health.

    Intelligence agencies have released no such information.
     
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    Yes...there are risks. My father in law went to the hospital when he took the first shot...and his doctor was firm he not take the second...since the first one almost killed him.

    After the second shot, i got really sick for three days with chills and spasms and high fever. Years back....I had my baby early when I had the flu with similar symptoms. I couldn't believe our medical community was saying this shot was safe for pregnant women.

    I'm glad I took the shots but don't sell me on boosters....I know too many people who keep getting covid even though they take boosters.
     
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    Sorry you had to go through that. The vaccines were never tested on pregnant women. Most if not all nations globally would not allow children under the age of 12 to be vaccinated because children without the CDC defined pre conditions are at "zero" risk from Covid and the vaccines can have very serious side effects (myocarditis). Children have died very soon after being vaccinated.

    Healthy people under the age of 70 are at very little risk from Covid. Vaccination should be a personal decision. I am over 70 and was vaccinated but had some side effects as well - fortunately none serious. Yes the vaccines do not make a person immune and also do not prevent a person from spreading the virus.
     
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    There is an unexpected increase in deaths of the most healthy demographic group in the US. This correlates with vaccination mandates. Just as a grand jury will indict based on circumstantial evidence the mortality increase data certainly requires an investigation by the CDC.
     
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    If and when a reputable body of qualified epidemiologists, virologists, or public health experts is ever able to identify the origin of the Covid-19 virus, be sure to let me know.

    Ignorance cannot be overcome by ideological dogmatism.
     
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    The following describes the cover up of the NIH sponsored gain of function testing at the Wuhan biolab. The FBI investigation concluded that the source of the manipulated virus created in the Wuhan lab was the Wuhan Lab.

    Paul, Rand. Deception: The Great Covid Cover-Up (pp. 29-32). Regnery Publishing. Kindle Edition.
     
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    That sounds super credible! Source for these claims?
     
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    Weistein is extrapolating the analysis of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine risk of serious adverse events (which could lead to death). The numbers are per shot. And literally billions of vaccine shots have been administered globally. The data in the paper below shows a combined 1 out every 800 shots has serious adverse health effects. The SOA (see my post above) has shown that there was a 8% increase in mortality for the most healthy segment of the US population which correlates to the vaccine mandates. What does this all mean? Certainly it is concerning. My take away is that if you are low risk to Covid do not get vaccinated.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
     
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    Carlson did not have anything to do with the Dominion lawsuit. He had some people on who gave opinions but that's the point of his show. His show was cancelled. He was not fired from Fox News. He collected paychecks after his show was cancelled and may still be doing so today?
     
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    It is irrational to listen to Sleepy Joe.

    Your slamming Tucker is all you have PLF. Attack the messenger and completely avoid discussion of the message.
     
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    I watched it on Rumble. You can too if you are brave enough.
     
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    And I have linked the pub med research paper of Fraiman et. al. which contains the Pfizer and Moderna data which Weinstein uses as the basis for his estimate above.
     
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    Boy, it takes real courage to watch whacko stuff! You must be Audie Murphy level courageous!
     
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