Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

The data is from the vaccine testing conducted by Pfizer and Moderna. The data shows that the average is one in 800 shots results in severe adverse health reactions. The data is not cherry picked. Weinstein estimate is that one in 800 shots have severe adverse health consequences which could lead to death. That's his opinion based on the data again directly from Pfizer and Moderna.

Please see post #45.

 

This nonsense was covered here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ence-with-covid.613193/page-9#post-1074588990
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ence-with-covid.613193/page-9#post-1074594757

It most certainly is.

An utterly ludicrous way to generalize when NONE of the participants even died!

Tucker Carlson Video Spreads Falsehoods on COVID-19 Vaccines, WHO Accord (msn.com)
Weinstein is not qualified, not his "area of expertise".

BTW Nicely dodged: "I withdraw the statement about "compulsory" programs (I should have double checked), this was for staff, on-field coaches etc. So, hey let's include them in the "death list" - any takers? Meanwhile, whilst there are players who did not take the vaccine the large majority did. The point still stands and now includes everyone in the whole team including management."

 

The data is from Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials. Weinstein is reporting on that data which was analyzed in the paper published on Pub Med by Fraiman M.D. et al.

No dodge. The Pfizer and Moderna data stands. Are you claiming that the vaccine makers are not being truthful?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/360... public release of participant level datasets.

 

Listen to the video. Weinstein repeats the Pfizer and Moderna data that one in 880 shots will develop a serious adverse health effect - nothing more and nothing less. He does go on to mention an estimate from a paper or data presented in a conference in Romania (I haven't been able to find the source) that estimated 17 million deaths. The Pfizer and Moderna data is factual. The data is publically available. The estimate from the conference in Romania is undoubtedly based on some model prediction and should be taken as just that - an estimate. Of course no discussions of the actual words of Weinstein who has a PhD in evolutionary biology from the University of Michigan (2009). You might remember him as the professor who refused to leave the campus of Evergreen State College in Oregon when black militant students demanded that all whites leave the campus for a few days a few years ago.

 

Wow, you basically completely ignored my post and repeated your last one

This nonsense was covered here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ence-with-covid.613193/page-9#post-1074588990
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ence-with-covid.613193/page-9#post-1074594757

Nobody is buying it anyway! An utterly ludicrous way to generalize when NONE of the participants even died!

Not even remotely qualified!

Tucker Carlson Video Spreads Falsehoods on COVID-19 Vaccines, WHO Accord (msn.com)
"Weinstein had previously told Carlson in the same interview that he was “hesitant to say what I think the toll might be because this is not my area of expertise,” referring to the purported harms from the COVID-19 vaccines. However, the false claim about COVID-19 vaccine deaths has since spread widely on social media. "

THIS IS THE BIT DODGED! "I withdraw the statement about "compulsory" programs (I should have double checked), this was for staff, on-field coaches etc. So, hey let's include them in the "death list" - Meanwhile, whilst there are players who did not take the vaccine the large majority did. The point still stands and now includes everyone in the whole team including management."

 

And again you ignore the actual published data in the public domain from Pfizer and Moderna, the actual words of Weinstein, and the meaning of the Pfizer and Moderna data and instead spread the false information. The quote that you reference above was in reference the paper givern at the conference in Romania which estimated possible world wide deaths at 17 million. The distortion of Weinstein's comments and responses to Carlson's questions about the actual Pfizer and Moderna data on social media is a great example of logical fallacy that anything that a person hated by the left says must be false. There is no falsehoods contained in the Weinstein interview. Weistein verbally documents the actual Pfizer and Moderna data and hesitantly refers to the estimate from the paper presented at the Romanian conference.

Persons died during the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine testing:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/#:~:text=The definition of,on medical judgment.

The posts that you link to do not address the data analysis methodology and paper written by Dr. Fraiman et al which I have referenced above.

 

Here is the link to the presentation at the conference held in Romania that Dr. Weistein referenced. There is a video of a presentation given by Dr. Dennis Rancourt who details his methodology. The mortality to the Covid 19 shots is concentrated in the elderly and doubles every increase in every increase in age of 4 - 5 years. What does this all mean? Watch the video and make your own conclusions. My mother in law is 98 and survived vaccinations/boosters although she did become infected with Covid 19 last winter, was in bed for three days, took Paxlovid, and recovered with no ill effects. But the point here is that the analysis exists, Bret Weinstein did not make it up, and Weistein/Carlson are merely reporting on information available to everyone. The International Crisis Summit 4 where the presentation by Dr. Rancourt occurred on November 23, 2023. The paper by Fraiman was issued on August 31, 2022. No one in the media reported on the paper or presentation when it was given. Social and legacy media only went into smear mode when Weinstein reported on the Pfizer/Moderna data paper by Dr. Fraiman and the presentation by Dr. Rancourt.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/not-14m-lives-saved-but-over-17m

 

Blah blah blah. Yet as already stated and completely ignored:

Nearly 3 years down the line the vast majority of the US sporting infrastructure, including players, coaches, management etc. were vaccinated.

THERE is your yardstick. A totally obvious way to determine whether this ludicrous crap about "seventeen million" deaths from the vaccines has any merit.

Clearly, irrefutably to any honest and logical person it has no merit whatsoever!

 

The Pfizer and Moderna Phase 3 studies noted any reported adverse effects. It was for signal referencing. If a particular adverse effect was occurring above what was expected by chance in the population, that adverse effect would be investigated as potentially being caused by the vaccine. Weinstein had no business making any statements of causation related to adverse effects because it was unknown if the adverse effects were caused by the vaccine or not. It was not a cause/effect study.

All Weinstein can actually estimate is that one in 800 shots will be reported as having adverse consequences in the population, not that the vaccine causes them. OF course that basic premise seems to allude a lot of people.

Where in both phase 3 studies, did it say that the vaccines were causing adverse effects? If the studies were not showing any causal links, the data can’t be used to make estimates about adverse events being caused by the vaccine as other variables (chance, random occurrence, caused by other health issues, obvious non-relationship etc) were not investigated.

For example, somebody develops severe diarrhea leading to dehydration leading to hospitalization after receiving the vaccine, that would be reported as an adverse event. The person could have had food poisoning, some underlying gastric condition, a gastrointestinal virus, flu, a bacterial infection, or a reaction to a medication. Is it appropriate then to claim the vaccine caused the diarrhea? No it isn’t. Nor is appropriated to opine that X number of people will develop the adverse effect of diarrhea after getting the vaccine. It is only appropriate to report that X number of people will report the adverse event of diarrhea which may or may not have been caused by the virus. To state causality is to provide misinformation.

Were there any significant differences in adverse effects reported by the placebo group vs the vaccine group? What does that suggest?

 

That is not a yardstick. That is not a representative segment of the population. What that is is an example of a segment of the population which is at very very low risk of serious effects associated with covid which should never have been forced to be vaccinated against Covid. The decision to be vaccinated should be a personal decision based on an individuals complete understanding of the risks associated both with and without taking it. The media and politicians and medical professionals and public health officials have done a poor job and have actually hidden the actual numbers.

 

That is exactly correct. There is a signal and Weinstein along with many others have pointed this out. A signal is evidence that people can use to take action based on their interpretation. A signal is also evidence strong enough to warrant investigation. Have all these severe adverse effects including death been thoroughly investigated by Pfizer and Moderna and the vaccines have been shown to be either the cause or a contributing factor in those severe adverse conditions? The fact that severe adverse conditions in the placebo group (which actiualy became shortly after a part of the vaccinated group if I read correctly) does not mean that severe adverse conditions did not occur in the vaccinated group due to vaccination. Only an investigation of every severe adverse condition occurring shortly after vaccination can determine that.

It's curious that there is an arguement that preconditions can result in severe adverse conditions after vaccination but all deaths of people with the severe precondtions listed by the CDC and who die with Covid are classified as dying of Covid.

 

A perfect yardstick encompassing young players, older players, ex players now coaching, older staff and everyone vaccinated within each club. Isn't it amazing that nobody is dying.

Notice how the goalposts are moved. Now apparently all the serious adverse events which applied to a broad cross-section suddenly DON'T count and we are using the severity associated with the virus itself!

 

The 1 out of 800 is data from Pfizer and Moderna. The data is real. The data is a signal. That signal should be communicated and investigated.

We are talking about a vaccine does have severe side effects as so stated by the vaccine developers themselves. Healthy young individuals are at very low risk to Covid and there is no good reason to expose them to the serious side effects of the vaccine. The analysis of Dr. Dennis Rancourt showed that the negative effects of the vaccines are much more likely to occur in the elderly and not in young healthy individuals.

 

From the link to the video presentation in post 82 the analysis of Dr. Dennis Rancourt showed that the negative effects of the vaccines are much more likely to occur in the elderly and not in young healthy individuals.

 

Thank you for actually agreeing that Weinstein/Fraiman’s opinions are baseless as none of the serious adverse events they have mentioned had actually been investigated as being definitely caused by the vaccine. What they did was muck around with numbers from the Moderna/Pfizer trials and make a causal statement which all the nutters on social media have been using as proof that vaccinations are dangerous. It’s nothing but opinion. The only thing they should be saying and promoting is that further surveillance of vaccine side-effects is warranted to monitor for untoward serious adverse events. They should not make statements that are only estimates to push the narrative that 1 in 800 vaccines could result in death. It’s outright garbage.

A signal is not evidence it’s an indication that some adverse event may be occurring in conjunction with vaccines. The fact that there were no significant differences between the placebo vs vaccine group demonstrates that no signals were present to indicate that the vaccines were causing serious adverse events at a higher than acceptable rate.

The sad sorry fact is that people are trying to use Fraiman/Weinstein to state the serious adverse events reported to Moderna and Pfizer are caused solely by the vaccines which is disingenuous misinformation or more to the point, outright lies. The fact is serious adverse event is an event that occurs after vaccination which may or may not be caused by the vaccine. I noted you conveniently left the last part out of your definition of an SAE. If a person dies the day of getting their vaccination, this is a SAE that a doctor must report. The person could have died from a heart attack, stroke, natural causes, being run over, murdered etc. This information isn’t included with reports of SAE’s. One can’t say the vaccine caused the death which is what people are trying to conflate via Fraiman/Weinstein.

There is worldwide consensus that the vaccines are safe. One opinion study does not negate all the other research related to the worldwide consensus. Weinstein’s opinion is just opinion and shouldn’t be used to make causal statements or to represent vaccines at all.

13.53 billion doses of the vaccines have been given out worldwide so far. The 1 in 800 opined by Weinstein does not stand up.

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I have agreed to no such thing. There is a signal that should be published and investigated. The only way to explain the signal is for Pfizer and Moderna to investigate and explain every serious adverse health occurrence after vaccination. This should have been done years ago. Have they done this? The only way to disprove that the signal is not indicative of vaccination risk is with hard data.

What is the mortality rate of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines per shot? Most if not all other vaccines have mortality rates.

 

The chronic conspiracy crackpots fantasize to fit their agenda, of course, but the reality is that the origin of the virus remains unknown.

January 17, 2024 - THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

... Documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services by a House committee and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show that a Chinese researcher in Beijing uploaded a nearly complete sequence of the virus’s structure to a U.S. government-run database on Dec. 28, 2019. Chinese officials at that time were still publicly describing the disease outbreak in Wuhan, China, as a viral pneumonia “of unknown cause” and had yet to close the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, site of one of the initial Covid-19 outbreaks.

China only shared the virus’s sequence with the World Health Organization on Jan. 11, 2020, according to U.S. government timelines of the pandemic.

The new information doesn’t shed light on the debate over whether Covid emerged from an infected animal or a lab leak, but it suggests that the world still doesn’t have a full accounting of the pandemic’s origin.

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...ing-told-the-world-documents-show/ar-AA1n7rD1]

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading

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Trump was in denial as the pandemic spread, until he suddenly admitted that there was a pandemic:

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: The World Health Organization declares a public health emergency of international concern.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”

“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House

March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.

March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.

March 13: Trump declares a national emergency concerning the coronavirus.

March 15: “This is a very contagious — this is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” — Trump at a White House task force briefing.

March 16: “When I’m talking about control, I’m saying we are doing a very good job within the confines of what we’re dealing with. We’re doing a very good job. … If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a — this is a real — this is a pandemic. I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.

[https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-comments/]

DEATHS OF AMERICANS DUE TO THE CORONAVIRUS: 1,192,459
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The Wall Street Journal article from which you posted quotes provides a link in the text that you highlighted to this previous article in the WSJ: Curiously you omitted the link:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-...y spread via a mishap at a Chinese laboratory.

Trump is merely repeating the information that public health experts Fauci and Birx relayed to him.

 

Do you have documented evidence of that, or are you making it up?

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading
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If the documented reality that the origin of the coronavirus remains unknown does not fit your ideological agenda, that is unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

"The new information doesn’t shed light on the debate over whether Covid emerged from an infected animal or a lab leak, but it suggests that the world still doesn’t have a full accounting of the pandemic’s origin."

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...ing-told-the-world-documents-show/ar-AA1n7rD1]​

 

It sounds like Trump rubbed some Anusal---or is it Anbesol?---on his scabby lips and planted a huge orange smooch on China's rectum.

 

Fauci was a big fan of China. As head of the NIH he (without the legally required review by a committee set up to review all virus research) steered US taxpayer funds to the Wuhan lab for gain of function research resulting in the Covid-19 virus which had a furin cleavage site making the virus very contagious to humans. The virus escaped from the lab and tens of millions died globally. Fauci is responsible for that.

Tamny, John. When Politicians Panicked: The New Coronavirus, Expert Opinion, and a Tragic Lapse of Reason (pp. 40-41). Post Hill Press. Kindle Edition.

He (and many other NIH employees) has also benefited financially from royalties paid by pharmaceutical companies:

Paul, Rand. Deception: The Great Covid Cover-Up (p. 273). Regnery Publishing. Kindle Edition.

You will have to convince the FBI and the DOE that they are wrong.

 

That was Fauci - and he got paid for it.

 

Nope! THAT is a Rumble conspiracy theory

 

All conspiracy theories

 

You will have to convince the FBI and DOE of that.