Are you safe? Where are you? Are you alone? Guys I'm so f****g scared...

I agree with much you say, especially the parts about how the American people are conned into getting into foreign 'brush wars', like those we had expensive adventures in in the Middle East and Afghanistan, and much earlier, in Vietnam!

But, I'm trying to get at the actual root-cause of the fear itself! Many people are fearing "guns" when its actually the CRIMINALS AND CRAZIES who misuse weapons that are the problem. Those are the ones who terrify an entire population, and it is those 'criminals and crazies' who need to be profiled -- and when they commit crimes, they should be locked up in prisons or insane asylums for a very, very, very LONG time. Nobody is very afraid of 'criminals and crazies' who are kept where they cannot threaten the rest of us!

My question to you is this: if our court systems don't keep these 'criminals and crazies' away from the rest of us, and if they also have easy access to millions of high-capacity, high-powered weapons, what are the rest of us supposed to do to defend ourselves?

Years ago, Joe Biden recommended that we should get shotguns that were either single-shot or double-barreled. So, we're supposed to go around lugging these big shotguns in public while everybody is being attacked by 'criminals and crazies' with semi-automatic, high-velocity weapons with large-capacity ammunition magazines? It's not surprising that Joe Biden would suggest shotguns in a world overflowing with much more powerful weaponry, but that does nothing to mitigate the FEAR we're talking about.

I'll repeat for emphasis -- put 'criminals and crazies' in prisons or insane asylums, AND KEEP THEM THERE! Do that one simple thing and then watch the "fear" evaporate.... Think! Once the 'criminals and crazies' are removed from society, realistically what is lhere left to be afraid of?

 

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From the above we are BOTH on the same page WRT the Criminals and Crazies being the PROBLEM that MUST be dealt with.

The devil is in the details because convicted criminals are already banned from having guns BUT we have no ENFORCEMENT to ensure that they do NOT have EASY access to them.

The problem with the crazies is that it is NOT easy to spot them because a lot of people are STRESSED out and appear crazy too.

The ONLY way to deal with BOTH is with STRINGENT background checks NATIONWIDE on ALL gun transfers of ownership.

That means that if anyone wants to sell their gun to a buddy there MUST be a background check that INCLUDES social media accounts. Any and all attempts to EVADE the background checks means jail time for BOTH parties.

This will NOT deal with every problem but it will be a good start in the direction we need to go in order to regain our SANITY from the criminals and the crazies.

 

They interpreted it correctly

 

this pretty well sums up the anti gun movement in the USA

those who support the leftists' agendas-especially abortion, income redistribution, the alphabet agenda, and who see white Christian middle class or richer conservative men as their enemies have almost all adopted gun control and attacks on the NRA as a political weapon. the constant attacks on Xtofascism by the alphabet agenda advocates has adopted gun bans as strategy. The pretense of caring about public safety is nothing more than a ploy to make this plank of collectivist authoritarianism look less disgusting

 

Wrong.

Millions have not been terrorized and your entire diatribe is hyperbolic

 

I think what is going on is this: pro gun politicians TEND to be less enamored with the social agenda of the left than gun banners. Those who vote for gun rights tend to vote for politicians who don't see the alphabet agenda or income redistribution as a good thing. So the NRA and gun owners are attacked because they are seen as enemies of the social issues those on the left desire

 

I am not getting into the silly argument that corrupt Venezuela's toothless attempt at gun control, failing to reign in gang lawlessness and violence, should inform on US gun policies. Why don't we look ate more comparable countries, like those in the EU?

Yes, they have. My own kids were on a half day lockdown in school because a person claimed on social media that they were going to come and shoot up their school that day. Just ask the Chapel Hill students what they think of your callous attitude. They'll give you an earful.

 

The whole country was on a lockdown becaiuse of a cold

Your claim is alarmist garbage

Chapel hill does not have millions of students

I am correct

 

I see the pain reached your brain. Now I see the goal post being moved. You're the one that brought up Venezuela.

 

The correlation with higher gun ownership and higher gun violence is pretty darn impressive as is the correlation between gun violence and lax gun laws. This even shows up internationally

gun ownership


Now I admit the graphs are from two different sources and slightly different time periods but I can back this with research showing correlation within America itself

 

COVID was and is not a “cold” but you be you. Denial of the seriousness of a lethal infection is the best example of “evolution in action” we have seen in recent years

 

Sweden and Switzerland both have high gun ownership BUT also have a fraction of gun violence so why? What are they doing right? The answer is gun regulation. The countries with higher gun ownership but lower gun violence require citizens to be responsible with guns

 

What has Biden or other Democrats done that has mitigated the problem in a measurable way?

 

It sswas a monor blip used as an excuse to expand government power.

Thatis the nature of your progressive evolution which is why we maintain the right to own guns making us superior to other backwards nations

 

and this sounds great to people who are clueless about how things work in reality but since we don't-and will never have, most of the firearms in private hands registered, there is no way to enforce this silly law you want to pass. Most criminals get guns from people who already know they are criminals. those transactions are not going to involve a background check. the main purpose of demanding background checks on private sales, are as follows:

1) to allow pimps in office to pander to stupid people who want SOMETHING DONE

2) to create a demand for national registration: Obama's DOJ admitted without national registration of currently owned firearms, private sales background checks cannot be enforced

3) and to turn people who have done nothing objectively wrong into criminals if they fail to do a background check and happen to get caught. You admit that with your demanding that people go to jail for that.

 

as usual, a worthless comparison that ignores many other factors other than your beloved government control over gun ownership.

 

ignores legal vs illegal gun ownership and ignores the fact that the group with the highest rate of legal gun ownership in the world-American whites-have a rather low rate of gun crime

 

What a silly article. Is this copied from the Onion?

 

Was that the Trump government plan?

 

They have been STYMIED by the NRA, GOP and the SCrOTUS which has been the case for many DECADES now.

This is NOT a problem that began with Biden assumed office. The NRA's gun culture AGENDA goes back a long way.

There is NO quick and easy fix because it will require BIPARTISAN support at this stage.

You should be asking why the NRA, GOP and the SCrOTUS refuse to even CONSIDER any form of mitigation whatsoever?

 

Why have mitigating policies been opposed by the right? Do they have no legitimate concerns? A problem I have is with policies based more in fear than a scientific review of the problem. For example AR bans. The Virginia Tech massacre would not have been prevented by an AR ban as the gunman used semiautomatic handguns. I understand that the left often presents data on a previous AR ban but I find the conclusion and methodology to be in dispute within the communities most knowledgeable about the subject.

If I may be so bold to speak for the right, which I am not a member of but many of my friends and family are. No one wants the massacres to continue. The problem is how to resolve it without infringing on the 2A. Many on the right think the left wants to take firearm restrictions too far, and to a degree I agree. Yet many on the left think the right are heartless monsters and make no real attempt to understand their position.

I am in the market for a good book written by the appropriate authority on the subject of gun crime in America. The best data I have yet to see is the RAND study, which I have only glossed over. When it comes to data on the subject it is all over the place as is expert opinion. The lack of consensus within the knowledgeable community makes taking a hard stand either way problematic. If nothing else I know the left and right angrily arguing about it does nothing to resolve the problem.

 

Wanted to add that the left placing all blame on the right for the gun crime problem in America is about as objective as Trump supporters placing all blame on the left for Trump not being able to build his big beautiful wall. Both sides like to blame the other yet neither wants to take any responsibility. As with illegal immigration, gun crime is a problem both sides have a part in. Blaming the other side for a problem both sides have added to is silly.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...l-support-background-checks-on-all-gun-sales/

You are correct that the VAST majority of Americans, on BOTH sides, SUPPORT background checks for ALL gun sales.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ing-step-to-keep-guns-out-of-dangerous-hands/

So there is ACTION being taken by the Dems and the Biden Administration with SOME bipartisan support in Congress.

HOWEVER there is OPPOSITION in the form of REFUSAL to ABIDE by these BIPARTISAN regulations.

Needless to say those that OPPOSE the regulations are NRA and GOP supporters AKA hardliners who OBJECT to any form of reasonable regulations. They are FUNDED by the Gun Lobbyists.

The above is all factually documented.

So where does that leave you, I and the vast MAJORITY who UNDERSTAND that we DO have a SERIOUS problem with guns being EASILY AVAILABLE to Criminals and Crazies?

I mentioned ENFORCEMENT earlier and this is the STICKING point. Without the means to UPHOLD the Law it becomes MEANINGLESS and that is the INTENTION of those who OPPOSE what the MAJORITY want and need.

These hardliners are willing to DIE rather than COMPLY with the Law of the Land, no matter how REASONABLE and BIPARTISAN. They cannot be reasoned with, they are obdurate and obstinate in their OPPOSITION to anything that would keep guns out of dangerous hands.

The data above indicates that these hardliners represent between 4% and 8% of the population.

In essence they are DOMESTIC TERRORISTS holding our nation to RANSOM.

Until We the People RECOGNIZE that harsh reality we will continue to have the CARNAGE that we see happening all around us on a DAILY basis.

I am open to any and all suggestions as to how to resolve this DEADLY situation.

 

It would be a wonderful thing if we were a country in which people could feel fully safe, secure, and protected against criminals-and-crazies. Instead, we seem to be wracked by spectacular displays of hateful, senseless mass-murders, often for no discernable reason other than that someone hates someone else for no rational reason whatever.

Again I ask you, given the reality of what we face in the United States today, what are we supposed to do? Many of us in the unaffiliated "center" are fully supportive of much more thorough background checks before anyone can buy a self-defense weapon of any kind. We support raising the minimum age for weapons purchases to 21, or preferably higher, given the reality that there are so many "adult children" among us now who are almost hopelessly immature.

But the place where we would gain the most traction, even with those on the far-Right, would be to begin enforcing maximum, lengthy, zero-tolerance prison sentences for crimes involving firearms -- period! Face it, criminals in prison are a threat to NOBODY. And "mentally-disturbed" people should be totally banned from being able to gain access to weapons, period. When they commit crimes, they should face extended, mandatory incarceration in mental institutions on a zero-tolerance basis.

Is this a good position from which to start?

 

When you keep importing the 3rd world you get the 3rd world.