Bad science

First, that has NOTHING to do with Mullis.

Second, COVID grew from nothing to being significant. During that time, we tried various public policy ideas and worked hard on improving hospital procedures for attempting to save these lives.

So, if you have a complaint, state it!

 

No kidding!

Whan has a pandemic ever been declared to NOT EXIST and at the same time claimed to be a full fleged partisan assault on our presidnt?

When has a disease motivated US based terrorists to attack governorS for promotig the most simple method of fighting that disease, recommended by medical science throughout the ENTIRE WORLD - wearing a mask??

This country just plain went STUPID.

 

In retrospect, we were far better off when we initially had a shortage of tests and only people with symptoms were allowed to go for a PCR test. Diagnosing what disease causes actual symptoms is the proper use of the test.

Mass testing has led to an nearly total focus on "positive cases" when we don't even know real cases from unconcerning positives anymore. To offer the current situation the absolute worst possible outcome, politicians have erroneously based their decisions on whether "cases" are rising or falling. Garbage data in, garbage policies out.

 

I may be wrong, but as a layman, my understanding of another shortcoming of the PCR test as diagnostic is that the genetic coding we analyze, I think nucleotides are involved somehow, is expressed with letters (C, G, and many others). Apparently the viral fragments found have coding that is similar to/in common with others of the many virus that live in the human body, benign and malignant. That is a source of confusion and incorrect conclusions when you're dealing with only viral fragments.

Maybe Squidward or somebody more informed could explain.

Truth and Justice made reference to it above.

Either way, the PCR test is the cornerstone of the edifice of deception, the scamdemic.

 

You cannot prove that 400000 have died from the virus, and in August even CDC admitted the numbers were misleading.

More, you appear unable to distinguish the fine difference between a real virus engineered for gain of function and a narrative told by masters of propaganda. Just a bit too subtle for your comprehension it seems.

 

I’m quite certain actual experts, (not “experts”), didn’t push for assigning huge amounts of time and capital to increased PCR testing because they realized it wasn’t effective discovering individuals with transmissible viral shedding. The calls for “anyone who wants a test needs a test” or “universal testing is necessary” were from fools who wished only to make political hay out of the situation.

Back in March when I was told we needed universal PCR testing and tests weren’t available I said this.

South Korea was testing symptomatic only at that time but media here was reporting they were testing anyone who wanted tested. Experts in SK were experts. Here we had “experts” that screwed up the mask thing and politicized PCR testing and lied repeatedly about both. And now people cheer those same “experts” advising Biden.

 

What a total freaking mess.

 

Yes, you are correct. That was what I was trying to explain with reference to molecules but got bogged down and side tracked leading to much confusion. (That often occurs when rushing to post while at the same time doing more important things in real life )

The PCR test does not look for a "molecule" of the virus RNA. The PCR test looks for a unique sequence of connected nucleotide molecules in fragments of RNA (RNA is a long chain of nucleotides). (my key and lock example). The sample will contain fragments of RNA from many different viruses (most viruses are harmless). Many viruses contain identical sequences of nucleotides but part of the sequence will be unique to a particular strain. This is what the PCR test is looking for. False positives can arise from samples obtained from someone who has recently recovered. False positives can also arise if the sequence searched for is not actually unique but don't know if that can occur.

These are the reasons that I'm not particularly a fan of random testing and I'm not convinced that asymptomatic people represent that much of a risk. I think that only those showing symptoms should be tested and the PCR test will be reliable on those people

 

~ Fauci is nothing more than a scientific bean counter looking at statistics and regurgitated opinions. Now he is a celebrity. Media never asks him pointed questions - never point out his contradictions.
At least he believes in §anta Claus ...

 

GMAFB! Why introduce a patently flawed source as a "starting point"? Jeez, your excuses and denial are getting more absurd and insipid by the day, Willy. You can't lie in a printed medium. Grow up! This is an anonymous medium, no one in the real world will know that you were proven wrong and conceded that point. Stop playing dumb, the chronology of the posts won't let you.

 

PROVE IT, Willy! Provide the reading audience with a link to valid medical/biological scientists who provide a peer reviewed paper that in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that Mullis' created method (Nobel prize winning, basis for current Covid tests) does more than he designed it to do, and that he was wrong regarding Fauci.

Not opinion, FACTS.

Put up or shut up Willy, because your oft repeated personal opinion and denial is worthless in the presence of documented FACT! Hell, you can't even deal with the FACTS presented proving why the PCR is not 100% kosher as to how it's currently used...or are you going to deny the documented "false positives & negatives" reported daily? Nor can you deal with Fauci's duplicity....himself pointing out how the PCR results are not exactly a good indicator of a infectious or compromised patient.

Get it together Willy, because your posts are becoming pathetic display of willful ignorance and denial.

 

You've constantly state moot points in order to stall or (inadequately) build up to your oft repeated opinions and willful ignorance regarding Mullis and Fauci....as you've done here.

And where do I "overestimate" what is known about immunity? I stated a biological, historically medical proven FACT. Look it up, because I'm damned tired of doing the homework for the willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn.

The OP stands valid....you're insipid parroting of opinion, denial, suppostition and conjecture non-withstanding.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/bad-science.582441/page-9#post-1072326257

 

1. I was responding to your specific screed citing bad politics in dealing with Covid. Fauci is part of that system, his falling out with Trump non-withstanding. Observe and learn: Trump and Fauci: A timeline of their relationship during COVID (usatoday.com)

2. And more for your education regarding Covid: Blinking Red: 25 Missed Pandemic Warning Signs (genengnews.com)

 

From CDC:
"CDC is aware of recent reports indicating that persons who were previously diagnosed with COVID-19 can be re-infected. These reports can understandably cause concern. The immune response, including duration of immunity, to SARS-CoV-2 infection is not yet understood. Based on what we know from other viruses, including common human coronaviruses, some reinfections are expected. Ongoing COVID-19 studies will help establish the frequency and severity of reinfection and who might be at higher risk for reinfection. At this time, whether you have had COVID-19 or not, the best ways to prevent infection are to wear a mask in public places, stay at least 6 feet away from other people, frequently wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, and avoid crowds and confined spaces."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...une response, including,is not yet understood.


==> Please lean a little more toward looking for information and a little less toward argument by ad hom attacks.

 

Trump has actively opposed medical science from all sources. Fauci made every effort to limit the worst of Trump and it did not work.

 

It's hardly surprising. I mean, it is an OUTRAGEOUS SIN to impugn the aura of Saint Anthony di Fauci...

 

lol

If you had an argument there would be evidence behind it.

So, what evidence do you have that something Fauci has said isn't correct?

So far, all I've seen is politics and name calling against him.

And really, that is an assault on what is best for America.

 

False, HCQ has never been shown not to work.

It is the science deniers pretending that is the case.
The objective truth is, despite the science denying, that it helps to relieve symptoms, many of which kill, therefore saving lives and to this day despite the ignorant claiming otherwise...it continues to be used.

 

Once again, you stop researching the second you find something that supports your assertions. Please read the following from the CDC:

There are two types of immunity: active and passive.

Active Immunity
Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.

Active immunity is long-lasting, and sometimes life-long.

Passive Immunity
Passive immunity is provided when a person is given antibodies to a disease rather than producing them through his or her own immune system.

A newborn baby acquires passive immunity from its mother through the placenta. A person can also get passive immunity through antibody-containing blood products such as immune globulin, which may be given when immediate protection from a specific disease is needed. This is the major advantage to passive immunity; protection is immediate, whereas active immunity takes time (usually several weeks) to develop.

However, passive immunity lasts only for a few weeks or months. Only active immunity is long-lasting.

Now what's interesting is how the CDC is essentially operating on the "premise" of Covid-19 being the magical exception to the rules they previously list (as the OP alluded to). All the while admitting that they just don't know exactly how things operate with this new disease. Then they revert to the mantra that's part common sense and part BS. Not surprising, given the Trumpian spin put on the agency ‘Like a Hand Grasping’: Trump Appointees Describe the Crushing of the C.D.C. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

And please to try to condescend to me, Willy. Your demonstrated willful ignorance, poor research skills and stubborn denial of historical facts makes you look foolish when you do.

 

Pay attention, Willy....I'm talking about the FACT that Fauci's flip flops had him at one point parroting the party line, then opposing it when the WHO or CDC contradicted it. The link I provided showed this. Either you didn't read it or you're denying the facts and repeating a LIE. Since we can't copy & paste the whole article, you can continue to make excuses for your hero about it's content, but you can't deny these excerpts:

March 8: Fauci discourages most people from wearing masks, saying evidence doesn't yet they'd be helpful for the public.

April 3: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reverses on masks.

April 12: Fauci says on CNN that earlier efforts to stop the spread of COVID-19 "obviously” could have saved lives but top health officials faced “a lot of pushback about shutting things down.”

That Fauci acts as if he weren't part of the group that got it wrong is deplorable...your excuses for him is pathetic.

This thread has several examples of Fauci's failings...your denial of them as well. You've got nothing else. The OP stands valid.

 

Good general info.

However, the CDC says that COVID immunity is not fully understood as per my cite.

That can't be countered by general info on immunity.

Maybe I'm missing your point. I think this got started when I pointed out that immunity isn't 100% and isn't fully understood.

 

Calling it a flip flop when conditions and scientific analysis lead to different policy recommendations is just plain political Bull ****. There are a good number of cases of this that have occurred regarding COVID19 over this year - NOT just one or two.

Next, there is a BIG difference between what science sees as best defense against disease and what the politics of various policies might allow.

Regardless of the area of policy, we NEVER set policy that is optimal from a science point of view. There are MANY other factors than the scientific optimum.

So, there is no question that Dr. Fauci didn't overtly oppose policy specifics that were (and are) suboptimal from a science point of view. However, I don't see any case where he was asked a direct question and gave an answer that wasn't truthful to the best of what was known at the time.

 

~ For anyone who actually pays attention Fauci is an embarrassment and a sad joke. He makes a nice match with "Killer " Cuomo. Even worse Fauci himself does not realize it.
SAD ... ´

 

You have absolutely NOTHING on Dr. Fauci.

So, you think a fact free post based entirely on ad hom is some sort of defense of your anti-science.

 

Willy, go back and READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY the OP and then our exchanges from beginning to now.
Once that is done, you will at least be divorced of this fake "confusion" regarding my assertions and conclusions.