Baker won't compromise religion for homosexuals, no longer offers wedding cakes

And BAKE CAKES! Oh the humanity ! Oh the horror!!!

 

Why didn't they just go to a different bakery?

 

Said the white guy when he saw blacks drinking from the "Whites Only" water fountain, "why didn't they just go to a different fountain?".

 

Why are you comparing Christians with racists during the 60s? Christians dont hate gays.

 

Sorry, Sam I knew the minute I posted it , it would go right over your head.

 

what do you mean "it would go right over my head"?

 

LOL! You don't get out into the world much , do you? (and I'm not going to explain THAT)

It means that you wouldn't/couldn't understand ....and you didn't, it's not deep, it's simple but it's easier for you to play dumb then face the facts of discrimination.

 

Why is hate the first thing Christians think of?

When you deny people their rights it doesn't make any difference if you hate them or not....it's still just plain wrong.

 

Maybe they have a lack of transportation and couldn't travel a far distance? Maybe it was the only bakery in town? Maybe the bakery was the best around and got fantastic reviews and they wanted the best of the best? There could be multiple reasons for it. A person really shouldn't have to travel hundreds of miles just to get a cake because the one in their home town is intentionally discriminating against them.

Fact is the owner of the bakery broke the law and the couple who were discriminated against had every right to sue. So if you don't like anti-discrimination laws that is what you need to fight against, that way everyone in this country can discriminate all they want no matter what, whether you're gay, straight, black, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, female, male - get rid of anti-discrimination laws and people can start putting signs back into their business windows "NO BLACKS", "NO WOMEN", "NO GAYS", "NO JEWS" etc.

 

As I said before, just because you have the legal right to do something, does not justify it from a moral perspective. There are some situations/circumstances in which you have EVERY legal right to do something, but from a moral perspective (not taking the other factors into consideration), things are different.

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Just because he broke the law, doesn't mean that from a moral/ethical perspective, he deserves to get sued.

The baker didn't hate gays. He didn't even mind selling food to gay customers. What bothered him was that the cake was used to celebrate a gay wedding, which many people find morally objectionable.

 

What made you think that the white guy hated blacks? Maybe he just wanted them to drink from 'their' water fountain. After all- there was another water fountain that they could drink from- why did they insist on drinking from the 'whites only' water fountain?

 

Whites in the 60s wanted blacks to drink from a seperate water fountain because they believed they were inferior. christians dont hate gays, they just believe gay marriage is morally wrong, and Jack Philips believed making a cake to celebrate a gay union would be morally wrong from his perspective.

 

Like the right to discriminate against people because of their wedding?

No but he does deserve to have his business shut down for not following the law. He opened a public business and there are anti-discrimination laws which business owners must follow. He chose not to do that and now he is paying for the consequences. He seems content with his choice to go through with ending his cake baking business and instead focus only on cookies/cupcakes and other types of baking.

It's amusing to watch you twist and turn admitting he discriminated but also trying to say that he was justified in his discrimination. He was not.

He broke the law plain and simple and now he is facing the consequences. I thought you were all about people facing the consequences of their actions? Why should he get special treatment and a pass on anti-discrimination laws when everyone else has to follow them? Just because he is a Christian? So that justifies allowing him to discriminate against people based on his personal beliefs?

 

They could just as easily go to a different bakery? I honestly don't know the circumstances-like if there was any other bakeries close by, etc.

I'm not denying that the legal system has an obligation to do their job and punish people who break the law, but there are SOME circumstances were it doesn't make any logical sense (from an ethical/moral perspective) to press legal charges against people. In my opinion, there should be a compromise solution, from a legal perspective. He should be given a warning.

 

Again, he broke the law and he was punished for breaking anti-discrimination laws. I don't know what else to say at this point because those are the facts.

Was it right or wrong? Depends on how you look at it. I think it was wrong of him to discriminate, I think it was wrong of him to break the law. Would I personally have sued the guy for the same reason if I had been in that situation? I don't know, I may have if he publicly humiliated me or something along those lines. But I don't know what this couple experienced, maybe he was nasty with them? Who knows. People behave like animals towards each other in the service industry and they get animal behavior right back. So I don't know. (*)(*)(*)(*) happens.

 

Here's an analogy. I am against drug legalization (partially because of my moral views on that issue), but I still think it's draconian and very harsh if this guy in Texas gets life imprisonment for what he did. http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-man-faces-life-prison-pot-brownies/story?id=23807681

Ruining somebodys life over one stupid thing they did is wrong.

There are countless other news stories where people did illegal, morally wrong things, but I still don't think they deserve the harsh punishment they get.

 

Your attention span is failing again.... The drinking fountain example had nothing to do with hate or why whites wanted blacks to drink at separate fountains.

It had to do with you claiming that gays could just go to another bakery....which is what white people could say about blacks using white drinking fountains, "Can't they just use another drinking fountain ?"

It's the same sick discrimination.


Please show where in your little bible it says making cakes for gays is naughty.....

 

Since making drugs illegal does absolutely nothing to deter people from using them, and legalizing drugs does not increase their use, you seem to be opposed to legalization of drugs RATHER THAN use of drugs. I have to wonder why you consider the law immoral, but not the behavior. But if the law is immoral, why do you insist on keeping it?

 

I consider the behavior (drug use) to be very immoral, from my religious and moral perspective.

 

WHY do you think it is OK to discriminate against gays but it's wrong to discriminate against Christians?

Discrimination is NOT based on YOUR morals, it's based on laws so that it will be fair to everybody NOT just those you approve of..

And why can't you answer that question?

 

But why then did you address the drug laws, which demonstrably have had no effect on drug use, while simultaneously having multiple catastrophically bad side-effects?

Or are you like those politicians whose argument is "I know the drug laws manufacture criminals, enrich organized crime, cost a fortune in money and lives, encourage petty crimes, and don't decrease drug use. But if I ADMIT it, it will LOOK like I'm condoning drugs. So I'm opposed."

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Because Christianity is right, and homosexuality is wrong. Why else?

 

Discrimination is NOT based on YOUR morals, it's based on laws so that it will be fair to everybody NOT just those you approve of...or who think THEY are perfect ....

 

Don't be silly. Right laws are any laws that reinforce or otherwise stroke my prejudices and make me feel superior to others. "Fair" is for losers. Laws are just dandy that cost a dollar to buy a dime, so long as I get the dime.

 

Just because what the baker did was illegal, it doesnt mean that the couple was doing the right thing by pressing charges against him.

 

Could you try again and somehow connect my post you quoted with your response???