Beirut explosion shatters windows across Lebanese capital

You have not shown anything, other than parroting the views of the Muslims who have their own agenda. If Hezbollah wasn't in Lebanon and Iran wasn't in Syria, those countries wouldn't need protection. This doesn't mean I agree with Netanyahu's inhumanity and that of the other Israelis. Only that Israel has no choice considering the threats by Iran and Hezbollah.

 

I see you are a person who does not debate and who simply resorts to personal abuse when she has lost her argument which you did again and again. Someone to be ignored/

 

Do you propose to have Israel take Syria? Will that stop the suffering of the people of Syria, if Israel takes over? Will Israel taking over Lebanon end the suffering of the Lebanese?

Not likely.

 

I have never heard any Israeli say that Syria is a Jewish holy land and should be theirs. When I do, then I will condemn them for it. Nor have I heard of any Christian say that they want to take back Israel, Lebanon, and Syria because they are Christian holy lands - even though they belonged to the Byzantine Empire, and the inhabitants were Christian until Islam invaded and occupied them.

In the past years, there has been an ongoing genocide of Christians. The killings have averaged about 300 a day - mostly in Syria, but that's not something you're going to find in the liberal press. What you will find is the persecution of the 60 thousand (?) Yezidis, and the persecution of the 600 thousand Turkish Ughurs in China, but not the millions of Christians killed and forced to leave. Then again some people's lives are worth more than others and Christians seem to fall on the lower rung of the ladder.

This is what I heard from Muslims:

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1- Unless we are a majority, we consider ourselves under persecution - From a Pakistani.
2- Spain belongs to Islam since the Muslims were originally Arians - From Jordanians.
3- Every land that Muslims have lived on is considered holy land, and must become Islamic or revert back to Islam.
4- Peace will only come to the world when everyone is under Islam.
5- Islam wouldn't exist if converting to another faith wasn't a capital offense - A bragging Egyptian Imam.
6- The Aegean (including the Greek islands), and the Eastern Mediterranean (Including Cyprus and Crete), is our 'Blue Homeland' - Erdogan redefining the borders established by the Lausanne Treaty.

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100% True.
You just can't have an honest debate with the Pro Islamo Jihado Arabo supporters in this forum and in general.
It's one of the main reasons that most of them have $hitty life in their countries, most have no human rights and no education.
Their leaders want then to stay stupid and small minded.

 

First of all ... to the time of the Tsars for sure not, because there was no Syria existing, it was part and territory of the Ottoman Empire at this time
Correct is that the good relations, friendship and even some sort of alliance began in the 1950's between the former USSR and Syria and Russia took this over after the end of USSR.

You name again and again the rebels terrorists ... and I still told you that this term is irrelevant! You call them terrorists, but Turkey not! Are they now or are they not?
Turkey calls the YPG Kurds to be terrorists ... neither Assad regime, nor Russia, nor USA call them terrorists ... are they now or are they not? Nearly everyone calls Hezbollah to be terrorists, but Syria, Iran and some others not (Russia is here neutral in wording btw) ... so are they or are they not?

The situation in the ME is very complicated and was it all the time. But since this gangster and war criminal Bush Jr. attacked Iraq, eleminated Saddams regime and made out of Iraq a mess, the ME is only a tollhouse! Issues like the Arab Spring made issues muchmore complicated too ... and remember that the well reasoned protests against the dictator Assad were part of it.

 

She was just talking about her personal experiences. If you put in a search you will discover there were in fact plenty of civilian convoys bombed by Israel. I know because I just put in the search. You try,.

Interesting, I had read that many Israelis did consider Lebanon as a friend. I read about them struggling to accept that they were killing the people of Lebanon and having to accept that they could no longer differentiate between Hezbollah and the people of Lebanon. A Friendship due no doubt to Israel's help of the Christian Maronites and there return help to Israel.

Load of trot. Hezbollah was created because of your occupation of Lebanon.

The Jordan Valley which Trump illegally says is yours and you hope to take and have been since 67 does not belong to you. Not only does it contain the most fertile land and no surprise water but it also is a very stragic place. There is some argument as to whether one bit belongs to Syria or Lebanon, but Israel's failure to return that under peace agreements is the reason or the excuse given by Hezbollah to not disbandon as peace fire agreement agreement. In truth they would have been fools to do so as your country is still expanding and taking other peoples land.

That for Lebanon to be free it is necessary to free Palestine is a rational argument on one level. It is not rational due to the reality they do not have the capability but it is rational because all you do is take more land and there is every reason to believe you will keep on doing so. I can remember back then when talking to people about it that the people of Lebanon believe that you want all of Greater Israel which I think includes them. I know I spoke about that to you before and you said Israel would never want so much area....I wonder. Israel identifies with the Far Right - and that is long term your Government and I was reading the other day that if an election was called now the most extreme far right (because all your parties are far right now) but the most extreme would get in.

I am sorry but I believe the move to the far right that we now see in the West originates from Israel, Had 9/11 not happened imo Israel would have been forced to go ahead with the agreed two state solution and the hope would be that the area had settled down and was living in harmony by now. We obviously cannot tell so that it can be just a hope. But 9/11 changed everything and Israel is the only country which has benefited from 9/11 as Netanyhu knew it would straight away and it is that which straight away in the US and a little later in other Western countries changed the psycholigical orientation certainly in the UK and Europe that rather than looking at the causes for things that happened, it was simply that the people who did such things were evil and so their ethnicity would pay 1,000 times. The West is moving to the far right at an alarming rate and is determined to destroy any social alternative and a mighty lot of that comes from protecting you.

Western Far Rights do not like Jews. Christian Zionists only like Jews so that they can put them in Israel and have them ruling all of the land it says in their Bible - which I think includes all of Greater Israel. Israel is trying and trying to get European Jews into Israel. The Far right would eventually start deporting them helped by Christian Zionists so there is no reason why you would not have sufficient people to occupy all of Lebanon and further. Of course for the CZ's without whom you would have had to accept a two state solution the intent is for Armageddon once everyone is in place. At this time a number of Jews will see the light and join these Christians in their sick view of Christianity but most Jews will die. Neo Zionists believe they can stop this bit. Never mind what Israelis think this is the big game which is playing out in the ME.

Israel has no right to complain about people coming into the Jordan valley when it is not hers and when once she has it she will be going for more. It may not be what you believe but it is the situation. Of course other situations may play out but it is rational for the people of Lebanon to see themselves in danger while the Palestinians are being held prisoner/expelled from Occupied Palestine.. Rani Masri is correct that a non sectarian Government would still be Israelis enemy not least because Israel is going to continue to be an enemy of Lebanon untill either Israel gets what she wants or someone finds a way to stop Israel which appears to be what you have read many in Lebanon believe is necessary and would account for their relationship with Iran. What I am saying is that they have good reason to think like this. As you may remember I annoyed you by pointing out that what was happening in the ME was Clean Break - a change in strategy by Israel under Netanyhu - prepared for Netanyahu it sould be said, to stop all trying to make peace with its neighbours and instead to destroy those states which seemed to have the ability to harm Israel - making them into little statelets was suggested. That is where the 5 countries which need to be destroyed came from. Iran being the only one left. This end game of this strategy is that Israel has all the land she wants and has the most power in the ME - the reason why the thought of Iran having a nuke is so terrifying as that would then give her a lot of power. The result of all this is that Israel will not talk. Instead she keeps on trying to expand. It is totally rational for Lebanon to see Israel as a continuous threat and their only hope fo safety being the end of Israel. Nothing else is on offer.

To Israel it is. The Electronic Intifada has a story of an Israeli Lobby demanding that no aid be given to the people of Lebanon until they decided to give up Hezbollah. He replied to it and they took it down. Likewise as I put in earlier Israeli tv is reported about talking about Hezbollah and how it apparently would have been destroying Israel with the AN - as I said when I put it in a very strange way for people to be talking after such a horrendous happening. I suspect it is only to Israel that Hezbollah has any importance at the moment.

It isn't about what I think. It is about what they are asking for and have been asking for for a while before this tragedy and that is that the structure of their government is changed so that people, even people whose family have not followed a religion since their great grandfather must vote for someone belonging to the sect he belonged to. Lebanon goes rather like Israel. If someones parents, grandparents or as far back as it goes since someone practiced religion was a Christian then they are a Christian. Same for others. This apparently allows a great deal of corruption and for Government to be passed on in families and rather than providing necessary services like Universal Health Care and Schooling it is up to each person to go and beg for things from the person in Government belonging to the religion they have to declare. S/he then arranges things but this involves bribery and what not. Instead they want the system to be a regular one where they all vote equally under a civil not sectarian society and where they can demand of the Government things like Universal health care and schooling and where the Government will much more represent the will of the people and their money will be looked after properly and issues like the AN explosion will not be allowed to happen. That is as much as I know for now.

There is absolutely no evidence that this was Hezbollah. I gather you are giving the view out of Israel, a view which does emphasie the possibility that this was an Israeli action as did the TV programs I mentioned as does the demand which was made by an Israeli Lobby that no aid be given to the people of Lebanon until they disband Hezbollah. I think what you are doing is reporting what was said on Israeli tv. It is known that Israel does not act in a humanitarian way. When people stand in front of a tractor or whateve it was Israel kills them, if people stand on their houses Israel kills them. For a very brief time Israel was put back by people making themselves human shields but that lasted a very short time. For decades Israel has just killed them. Hell this is a country which kills people for protesting. There is zero way that Hezbollah would think that if it left explosives in the middle of Beirut Israel would not blow them up. Again it is known that Israel gives not one care for acting in a humanitarian way. Shush. Your tv program was acting on the fact that the people of Israel are still brainwashed into not knowing what she gets up to - like the horrendous massacres in 2014. Hezbollah though knows Israel very well. There is no way she would have thought Israel would not blow up explosives left in the port. Israel might want to hide that she did it for fear of outside opinion but she never would not do it. You have given the perfect argument that Israel was motivated to do the explosioin and hence may be responsible for the explosion.

 

That's a misconception. There is a close relationship between the Patriarch of Antioch and the Patriarch of Moscow that goes back to a time when Russia considered itself the protector of the Orthodox people, in the same way that France saw itself as the protector of the Roman Catholics. These historical affinities remain. This is why France is so heavily involved in Lebanon with its large Catholic population, and Russia is involved in Syria where the Christian population is predominantly Orthodox..

I don't consider Hezbollah terrorists. I consider them a para military group that shouldn't exist in Lebanon. Their agenda threatens Israel, so as long as they exist the people in Lebanon and Syria will continue to suffer.

The Sunnis dominate in most ME countries. In Syria the Sunnis were a majority, but the minorities combined were more than the Sunnis, and they want Assad. The Assad's are Alawites, and were looked down on by the Sunni's because of their tolerance and secularism. Originally they might have been Christians that decided under pressure to become part of Shiism.

The Assad's were able to gain power through the army, since the Sunnis preferred others to fight for them. Of course Turkey, KSA and Qatar resented the fact that the Sunnis were not in charge in Syria, and this is why they wanted to get rid of Assad. Israel, Washington and London wanted to break up Syria for their own reasons, so the people of Syria ended up in a 9 year war.

As for the protests, they were caused by Soros' NGO's - as they are in all countries where he and the CIA want a regime change. Like the protests in Kiev, they turned violent. Snipers were probably hired like they were in Kiev so Assad could be blamed, but we don't know. What we do know is that the Syrian people, including the moderate Sunnis, like their all inclusive life style under Assad and do not want their country to be broken up like Yugoslavia.

 

Ehm ... Patriarch here and there is not a country and not even the head of a state Jeannette!
The only issue of interest is that Syria and USSR = today Russia become close friends etc. due to the cld war conflict whih took also place in ME by West supporting Israel and East supporting enemies of Israel like Syria.
And in matter of Syria it was and is very close when they allowed USSR to have a naval base at them and this up to today!

But other consider them as terrorists and other consider the FSA as para military group which you call terrorists. So who is now a terrorists at least and who not?
It is matter od persoanl rating and opinion and since it became fashion to demonize enemy insurgents to be terrorists, the term is irrelevant!

Alawites are not really tolerant ... Alewites practice forced marriage and other things too.
Anyway ...
We have the same situation here with Iran, Iraq and Syria! Why?
In all 3 countries bloody dictators ruled or reigned with a pseudo-democracy ... just as ridiculous as it was in communist Eastern Europe back then, where 98% of the elections always voted for communism.
To secure their power, in all 3 cases against the majority of the population, they played the oh-so-great society, which was never democratic and treated all the minorities preferentially in order to secure their loyalty.
This is pure power thinking and has nothing to do with a glorious protection of minorities against the bad majority!

Yes, the Assads and their regime gained power by a coup ... and all the rest is pure existing reality in ME since 60 years of everyone has iths own darling and enemy etc.
Even I have serious doubts that Israel, USA, UK and France want to break up Syria as goal ... with look of their incompetence in Lybia it would have happened I must say too. But the one who really wants to break up and eleminate Syria is Erdogan and Turkey with their silly dream of rebuilding the Ottoman Empire of once!

I always respect freedom of expression and people can believe the biggest BS if they want ...
But unfortunately I have to tell you that this statement from you is unfortunately from A to Z crap!
Over and over again these ridiculous and long refuted claims of bad protesters at the time and poor security forces and snipers etc. ... although it has long been proven that it was Assad's snipers who shot into the crowd.

And as for this mental BS because of Soros conspiracy, you know my point of view by now ...

 

Sure

I was talking on state level, you put too much emphasis on personal levels...

Right, before the occupation Labanon harbored the PLO and all kinds groups, hence the occupation.

You mix two separate things, Hizbullah are not just after the sheba farms and their problem with Israel is not this annexation, they want to "free" land since 1948, they NEVER agreed to make peace just around those farms.

If there was a plan for greater Israel that includes Lebanon dont you think that instead of retreat we would make plans to expand ? I mean we were already there and we do have such plans we would have settled Lebanon during the 20~ years occupation, you argument makes no sense.

Got absolutely nothing to do with the subject, more reasons why you hate Israel - and again without sense, the Issue is Hizbullah not how bad you think Israel is.

OK

I think that's the old way of thinking and it's being challenged now by the ppl in Lebanon, they realize that all our attacks are made because of Hizbullah and not in order to conquer them, Egypt and the Saudis and even Jordan dont believe in that greater Israel nonsense anymore. but anyone that thinks we should "end" will put himself in the same danger - I hope you can understand that logic.

No.....it's the ppl in Lebanon that demanded the Gov- including Hizbi representatives to be disbanded, its Lebanese that are protesting, not Zionists, or are they ?

We'll see how it goes....I hope they will get what they want.

No I wrote what I saw on Al Jazeera, Sky news, CNN and the French Channel and I dont believe you didn't see it too, Lebanese are blaming Hizbi and say they know everything that goes in or comes out of the harbor, you are just trying to patronize me and my opinions. it's OK thou, I know how it itches for someone like you to talk to an Israeli