Biden is the patsy. Dems want him impeached, IMO.

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    Born rich doesn't mean acting elite...Being rich doesn't mean acting elite. Is, for example, Bill Gates an elite for being rich? Gates isn't considered elite because of his supposed charitable giving.

    The definition of elitism entails some sort of narcissism.
     
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    a group or class of people seen as having the greatest power and influence within a society, especially because of their wealth or privilege.

    You and I aren't the elite. Trump is.

    I really don't know why you're arguing this. You're wrong. It's not that important. But, being a free country an' all, you can believe Donald Trump worked his way up from the bottom for all I care.
     
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    Well, if you don't mind my playing devil's advocate, I'll point out that the press had been heavily focused on the border, for quite some time, off & on. I would imagine, if problems persist (or if there is a marked change for the better) the press will return to it, once more-- & can see no reason to assume that it won't. But any story, especially if it's not changing too much, and there aren't a lot of formerly unknown facts, with which to update it, is going to eventually grow stale. Even with the ever-changing dynamics of the Covid story, look how much less coverage that averages today, compared to last spring. Or last summer. Or last fall. And the immediate effect of these immigrants-- which is, of course, the kind of effect that grabs the most viewers & readers (compare coverage of an approaching hurricane, versus general coverage of "global warming")-- can in NO WAY be compared to the impact of the Coronavirus. Yet, even with a pandemic, people just find their news more interesting, if it's about something new.

    Likewise, we've heard about the migrants in cages. We've heard about kids being taken from parents. We've heard about those kids being lost in the system, so they could not readily be reunited with their parents. Then we heard about the caravans of immigrants. We heard about Biden appealing to them, not to come. Yada-yada. We've heard about record numbers of detentions, by the Biden Admin.; about Biden extending Trump's Title 42, expanded authority, during the pandemic, to expel a large portion of the migrants, without the usual, "due process." The last thing I read was that Biden added a new complement to his border defenses: those who are citizens of Central America, but who would normally, have just been released back over the Mexican border, are now being flown thousands of miles away, to be released in southern Mexico, in locations from which it will be much more difficult to get back to our border.
    So, what's left for them to report? Daily totals of how many migrants get stopped? That's not going to be enough to hold much of a popular, general audience, even if it would make you into a loyal viewer.

    So, my argument is that, this is just the way that news coverage works. It doesn't stay forever on a story, that isn't changing too much.
     
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    The treatment of Trump by elites over his 4 years in office proves Trump isn't an elite, either.:roll:
     
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    FOX NEWS is the only media outlet really covering the border crisis.:roflol:
     
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    I don't get the joke.
    And your reply does not address any of my point: that the MSM HAS covered the border situation; but most news outlets do not stay on a story, lasting for months, or years, every day, if nothing much has changed. That describing our current circumstance, there is no reason to conclude that liberal media is ignoring the story. They will doubtless return to it, when there is reason to; in fact, I saw a story related to the border just tonight, on MSM coverage: about a "shadow ruling" of the SCOTUS (made without hearing any presentations), supporting a Texas judge's ruling that the Biden Administration must reinstate Trump's policy of having immigrants wait on the Mexican side of the border, while their case is being processed, because Biden had not provided a sufficient explanation, for the change in policy.

    So, rather than the media putting up some kind of smoke screen, as you suggested-- not to protect Biden, but for the benefit of V.P. Harris-- it would be a more accurate description to say that FOX News is OBSESSING over the border story.

    I'd love for you to tell me, for the next 7 days, what NEW INFORMATION about the border crisis, you get, each day that you watch FOX's "coverage."
    What do you say-- do you accept?
     
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    I'm and FOX NEWS are obsessing over the border crisis story.:roflol: Let me clue you in: A majority of Americans are obsessing over the border crisis story. It's just that most of the media, the whores of the political elite, who aren't covering the border crisis story 'cause the political elite don't think the border crisis is a story worth covering.
     
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    Not only isn't Trump an elite, as being an elite in the current environment means that you're most likely a rich political elite like a Nancy Pelousy. Lets remember that Trump was never involved in politics and only ran for president to help move America forward in every way possible, which he did in the short 4 years of his term despite being uselessly attacked by lying dems 24/7.
     
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    Ted Cruz is the epitome of elite.

    What was Sen. Ted Cruz like at Harvard Law School? (abajournal.com)

    And he's covered the border.

    Ted Cruz Shares Video of 'Biden Cages' Amid Border Visit, Kids "Crammed in at 1500% Capacity' (msn.com)
     
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    PolitiFact | Yes, Donald Trump donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation
     
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    Ted Cruz isn't elite because Ted Cruz believes in democracy, for example, while elites don't believe in democracy yet believe in their causes and will do anything to advance their causes...Like Pelosi, for example...Pelosi is an elite...Not Cruz.
     
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    Okie-doke.
     
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    Ted Cruz just has lots of seniority in congress. Having too much seniority in congress may be a detriment but too much congressional seniority isn't an indication of political elitism. For example, a lack of interest in democracy is one indication of political elitism.
     
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    I'm afraid that it is you, who needs cluing-in. If THE MAJORITY of Americans, were OBSESSING over ANY story, the major media would be all over it. You understand that these companies, like all businesses, pursue profits, right? And the profits of any media company are all about the size of their audience. So what you say, about them all deciding to ignore a story, which vast numbers of Americans are obsessing over, makes no sense, in fact, is completely counter-intuitive. You have not provided any proof, at all, of your suspicions. Much less, the kind of proof required to buttress your extraordinary claim, that the bulk of our country's mainstream media is purposefully doing something in opposition to their own financial interests.

    This is a telltale sign of a theory that is not based on fact, but on unreasonable, conspiratorial beliefs.
     
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    Look up the polling data on the border crisis...The American public is obsessed about the border crisis. Now look at the coverage of the whores of the political elites, the media.
    The media isn't covering the border crisis because political elites don't want the border crisis covered.
     
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    Another fact: Trump campaigned for Bill Clinton. Somewhere between Bill and Hillary there was some sort of disconnect between the Clintons and Trump that couldn't be abridged.

    I suppose the Clintons being the very epitome of political elites had something to do with it. BTW IMO, political elitism was also the reason why Trump hated the Bush family so much. IMO, the Bush family hated Trump because Trump was too libertarian for their tastes...well, that and Trump allowed differing opinions than their own.

    Of course, Politico, for example, would disingenuously have the tendency to call Trump changing his allegiance for the Clintons as some sort of Trump lie.:roll:
     
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    Harris is on the sidelines because every time she makes the headlines it is bad news. I know of no Democrat that wants Biden out. It's just the wishful thinking of the right. It ain't happenin.
     
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    I hope you read more than just my OP in this thread. Sorry you didn't read my previous post in this thread which appeared after my OP and appeared before your post I'm quoting now. Anyway, it's unfortunate and incorrect to post that all dems want Biden out. What is more correct is posting that political elites want Biden out.

    The reason why the press is howling about the Afghanistan crisis, IMO, is because the political elite want to create a ruckus about Afghanistan.

    A great majority of Americans are greatly concerned over the Afghan pullout. A great majority of Americans are greatly concerned over the border crisis...The press has covered Afghanistan extensively and not covered the border much at all. That reason being, IMO,: the press are whores to the political elite

    Should I venture to guess why political elites want Biden out over the Afghanistan pullout??
    (1) Military political elites want the US to remain in Afghanistan (maybe, permanently).
    (2) Some political elites are progressive and want Harris as president.
     
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    Could you be more specific on who you think the political elites are by like naming names? It seems to me that during the campaign when Bernie was out in front and heading toward the nomination, the "political elites" turned the tables and wanted Biden to win. So, I find it hard to believe that those very same "political elites" now want Biden out. While bad events happening under Biden have weakened him, a food fight would weaken the Democratic party even more.
     
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    My first response to this thread was asking you who these mysterious elites are. I have yet to get a name. And in seeking a definition of "elite," you've gone from elitism to political elites and now military political elites.

    Your argument is lacking cohesion. By definition, elites wield far more power than you and me. Also by definition, "elitism" can be practiced by anyone. I had an elitist roommate once; I dated a woman whose sister was an elitist. Most mid-managers I've known are elitists. Elitism is a belief. The elite are people with power, usually money or privilege.

    You're throwing the words around interchangeably, which they're not, and you haven't provided any evidence for your claims.

    The argument isn't very convincing. There are political elite in both parties. They check each other. There are elitists among them, some of whom are also good actors. Ted Cruz is one. He'll stand on the back porch of his beach condo in Cabo San Lucas while his constituents freeze to death, telling us how the elites are taking over. Josh Hawley is another. Matt Gaetz would be, but he's just too crude to be considered elite, regardless of his birthright.

    You know who I think is a Democratic elitist? Adam Schiff. Indeed, my dislike for him comes from his elitist attitude. I respect his intelligence, professionalism and demeanor. I also respect that he doesn't pretend to be a good ol' boy.

    That brings up California. I've lived there for short periods of time - months - but I've lived most of my life 10 miles east of the border. It's my opinion, and that of just about everyone I know, that there is a marked difference between CA and NV residents, and that is elitism.

    Who's taking over? The elite? They already have control; that's what makes them elite. Are the elite controlling everything? Well, yes, they are. Are the elitists taking over? I don't see that happening. Maybe in academia, but not in government.

    Trump and Biden are both elite. Trump was born that way. Biden was not. I don't see any elitism from Biden; quite the opposite. Trump is an elitist playing a fictional role of everyday man. Sad how many have fallen for it.
     
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    A political elite is someone with immense political power that also doesn't believe in democracy (doesn't believe that government decisions should be based on the thinking of the majority of Americans).

    For example,. I would call Pelosi a political elite...Pelosi publicly endorses Biden but I think privately she wants him out.
    I'd call G.W. Bush a political elite. I'd call Liz Cheney a political elite.

    BTW before someone calls Trump a political elite, for example, remember that Trump based all his presidential decisions on The Constitution and The Constitution is the one document that most Americans agree with.

    I think I'd call Mitch McConnell a political elite as well.
     
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    NM...
     
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    I've already posted this but you're incorrect calling Trump an elite because Trump based all his presidential decisions on The Constitution and The Constitution is the one document that most Americans believe or agree upon.
     
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