Brexit Delay? The EU wants one, the UK does not.

It will take you 20 seconds to Google images of border control posts on the land border in Ireland that previously existed.
The Irish situation may seem 'slight' to you but not others. A quick skip through Irish history would inform people as to how slight it is.
The conundrum is an unanticipated consequence of the brexit vote. Ironically brexit voters say they knew what they were voting for. Whilst they hold that view they need to solve the problem. Indeed there is film of Theresa May pre the referendum warning of this situation, so there is no excuse for anybody to feign ignorance.

 

You will find that I have posted a great many such images on another thread.

There has never been any suggestion that leaving the EU will result in a return to a militarised border.
At all points both S Ireland and the UK have made that explicitly clear.

And here we are.
We have left the EU and no militarisation of the border has occured.


You seem desperate to make an issue where there is none.
You don't want a militarised border, and we don't have a militarised border.
What is the problem?

Far from being unanticipated, this has been explicitly anticipated.
What we expected to occur, has occured.
The people who said they wouldn't under any circumstances build border checkpoints, haven't built border checkpoints.
No one is surprised.

 

The problem is that the UK has supposedly left the EU, but remains joined. Indeed if there was no problem and everything is straightforward why have a transition period? In addition Northern Ireland is excluded from the leaving you talk of, Arlene Foster agreed with that on the television this morning.
What would you do about coachloads of non authorised people crossing daily into the UK across that unmonitored UK/EU land border?

 

There has always been unauthorised people crossing the Irish border daily.
Given that this is the way it has always been all my entire life, it's not a major concern for me.
In this regard things haven't taken a dramatic turn for the worse. They are just continuing on the same as normal.

Why have a transition period? Why indeed.
In theory to give business and governments time to adjust to new systems and laws.
In practice to give the EU more money.
We didn't just agree to a transtion period because of Northern Irelands border. Obviously.
There are after all another 27 countries involved. Not to mention the rest of the UK.

Can't find anything online about Arelene Foster this morning. Not something i am in a position to comment on. Sorry.

Not sure what you mean about NI leaving. Leaving what?
They have veto powers over any Ireland specific arrangements with the EU. They get to use them once every 4 years.
That is as much as I know about it.

It's in the treaty. Have I linked to that in this thread?

If not, try the government website or the EU one for a copy.

 

Really?
Well ... the BREXIT Fraction made this impudent cherry picking demand of "that free movement must be given in all 27 remaining EU member countries ... but UK decides whom and which country they give or not give" ... have you forgotten this?

And you don't think that what you can do in UK as measures can be done the same way by the EU in reverse, eh?
Would not be so easy then for any manager or "high rank" of any British company to get the working license to lead an office in the EU ... as you threat the EU people in the past. Still forgotton your blabbering about these evil Polish and other countries coming nurses working in the depending services and hospitals etc. ... a not well paid but hard job in UK which too few UK natives want to do ... and if being better paid it will raise the costs for these services depending?
You wanted to kick them out ...

 

I don't know what you are talking about. Sorry.
We've guarenteed the migration rights of the EU citizens living in the UK.
The EU has not reciprocated in kind.

Frankly what rights you bestow on the foreign residents in your country is between you and them.
Not my concern at all.
There is a chap who posted earlier in this thread who would very much like to know Frances immigration policy. He wants to live there.
I'm more interested in New Zealand and Japan myself.

Yes, the measures we can do in the UK, you can do in the EU.
I'm sure you already do.

I have never mentioned Polish people being evil.
That is your own prejudice talking and not mine. Nor have i ever mentioned kicking anyone out.

I don't expect you will find much in the ways of quotes from me to back your claims up.
But you are welcome to waste your time trying.



UK pays the very highest rates for medical staff .
That's why so many people come here for those jobs from around the world.
A nurse here is a 5%er globally.
Earns above the average wage for this country.
They aren't hard jobs by my standards either. Even if they are by yours.

You can earn that sort of money at Amazon if you work your arse off.
But they will work your arse off. Not like at the NHS lol.

 

Arlene Foster was on the Andrew Marr television programme this morning.

 

Sorry, I didn't watch it.
If it comes on Youtube I'll be sure to give it a watch.

 

Fine for me ... will you take back these over 1 million Brits who work within the EU currently?

They are absolutely welcome to return any time they like.

Why wouldn't they be?

 

Good... Nothing wrong with trading on WTO terms...

Many of EU's deals have rolled over onto WTO terms because of ongoing negotiations... People constantly prattle on about WTO as if its World ending, 2 years on WTO on outstanding EU deals would be no real hardship...

Irelands Fine Gael politician Phil Hogan, who is European Commissioner for Trade has even applied for a job at the WTO, do you think he knows something that we dont?..

 

So the EU with its internal market will be different from the UK with its internal market, WTO or whatever.
What will happen on the land border between the UK and the EU in Ireland? Everybody turns a blind eye?
Whatever happens it isn't brexit as voted for.

 

It's what I voted for.

We have turned a blind eye to the Irish border my whole life.

 

When you say 'we', that's not including all the British politicians involved with the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement is it?

That would make you younger than 22.

The brexit you think you voted for was when you voted at the age of 18 I presume.

 

Sure the UK contributes a lot of money to the EU. Right now only Germany and the Netherlands pay their fair share.
I hope the Netherlands is the next to leave so that this failed union can finally die!

 

We are the 3rd biggest contributer to the EU after Germany and France... This years estimated bill upto December when the transition period ends is £10.69billion, its normally double that around £20billion... And the divorce bill if we get a trade deal (but hopefully not, we dont need a deal with the EU. Only a small percentege of businness's here trade with the EU estimated at 5-8%) has fallen from £39billion to £32billion because we didnt leave in March 2019..

 

I continue to hope for the Netherlands leaving the EU. Let the Germans pay for everything including the migrant crisis that they naively enabled.

 

Yes, that is including the Good Friday agreement which enshrines the open border/free movement of people policy between us which has existed since S.Ireland left the union.
It has resulted in much smuggling and migration issues with pikeys and terrorists alike. And yet we still persist with it.


I was 46 when I voted for Brexit.

 

This is a picture of one side of the Irish border taken when you were two.
When you say a blind eye your whole life it doesn't look like it.

 

It's hard to understand what you are trying to say.
So apologies if this is not addressing what you meant.

I was born in 1970.
The UK has had trouble with the Irish border all my lifetime.
But it's still open and there is still free movement across it.
These arrangements long since predate the EU and are set to continue into the future.

Hope that clears it up for you.

 

What immigrant crisis ?

 

I think a million migrants flooded into Germany the other year.
Something like that.

Mrs Merkel invited them...and then they came!
Who would have guessed?

 

It was back in 2015... Merkel invited Syrian refugee families but every fighting age male Muslim chancer fleeing the brutal Syrian Civil War©®™ in Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Congo, Eritrea, Gambia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Nigeria, Mali, Morroco, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Turkey, etc, etc, answered her call and came...

 

The UK

Millions of people arriving, expecting welfare and having no respect for native women as they have no rights in their countries of origin.

 

Millions?
Are you sure?

 

Yes millions since the migration crisis in Europe began. Some say 40 million who are increasing exponentially. No birth control for Muslims. In Belgium they freely admit that the point is to overpopulate the native population so as to create laws in better keeping with Islamic values
Ask neighboring Angela Merkel who now admits she underestimated the numbers and the impact.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11545/how-many-muslims-in-europe