Britain Is Bleeding

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  1. Vegas giants

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    That does not seem to stop you from demanding the same proof from me over and over that you have been shown. How many times do I need to post the studies ....dozens of them....from Harvard Medical School? Get used to this. Ask me for evidence and you will get is back twice as much
     
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    those are limited to specific states and fail to note that crime was falling at equal rates in other states that didn't impose stupid laws. The Duke study involved a nationwide gun law. the Harvard studies are from the same paid anti gun propagandists who start with a conclusion and work backwards

    you also fail to acknowledge that your schemes will CLEARLY harass honest citizens and are speculative-AT BEST-in terms of actually decreasing crime
     
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    No they are not and you are simply lying. Its easy for you to lie though because you never have to provide the evidence. But I will call you on it.
     
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    Duke University Professor conducts Study on Background Checks and Waiting Periods.....

    "Data shows a slow gradual decline in gun homicides from 1993 to the present, a trend that started before the Brady Bill passed, but figures from both the control and treatment states track virtually identically. "Control and treatment states had the same gun homicide rates before and after the Brady law passed," Cook said. "It made no discernible difference. There is no statistically significant effect."

    Data on gun suicides showed the same trends, though Cook said there is "some hint of an effect" on the gun suicide rate for persons over age 55, some of whom appear to be deterred by the waiting period. But overall suicide rates do not decline, suggesting that some people simply changed their method when they couldn't get a gun more easily."

    https://content.law.virginia.edu/news/2003_spr/cook.htm
     
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    I prefer Harvard myself....Duke is the school you go to when you can't get into Harvard. LOL

    https://phys.org/news/2017-10-periods-deaths-guns.html

    The study consisted of two parts: The first looked at differences in gun death rates between states that had waiting periods and those that did not over the period between 1970 and 2014. The second part consisted of looking at changes in gun death rates in states that enacted waiting periods after passage of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act in 1994, which essentially forced all states to enact waiting periods.

    Results from the first part of the study showed on average 17 percent fewer gun-related deaths for states with a waiting period (and approximately 10 percent fewer gun-related suicides). Results from the second part of the study nearly mirrored the first—the trio found that gun-related homicide deaths following passage of the Brady Bill dropped on average 17 percent while gun-related suicides dropped approximately 6 percent.

    The researchers suggest their findings indicate that if the U.S. were to implement a nationwide waiting period for gun purchases, the country as a whole could reduce annual gun deaths by approximately 1,700 a year.



    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-10-periods-deaths-guns.html#jCp
     
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    Apparently there are conflicting studies when it comes to waiting periods which is what your article is addressing.
    So nothing is conclusive.

    Your article does not mention nor dispute my article regarding the futility of background checks.
     
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    Here is one on background checks

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/background-checks-gun-deaths_us_56e22db5e4b065e2e3d5776d

    Here is the study

    http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(15)01026-0.pdf
     
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    There is no further sense in this constant back and forth banter. Simply report the individual for the numerous violation of forum rules that are being committed, and continue doing so until such time that they are removed for a third time.
     
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    I know of no real evidence that gun control does not save any lives
     
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    that's because you refuse to define gun control. your DESIRED gun control doesn't save lives. Its designed to harass lawful gun owners
     
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    Nope. It saves lives
     
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    that's unproven twaddle
     
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    The evidence is overwhelming
     
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    that's just twaddle. you have some paid propaganda that claims this but its contradicted by objective studies that weren't funded by anti gun or pro gun groups
     
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    Then provide them like I have.....watch this folks. Lol
     
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    we have. its unclear. what we DO KNOW is that the stuff you want harasses honest gun owners. that is why you support it
     
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    We? You never provide evidence. See for yourself folks. Lol
     
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    You can only hold this opinion if you choose to ignore the study I presented.
     
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    Even the study you presented showed a drop in suicides. Do those lives matter?
     
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    Read it again.... There was no overall drop in suicides or homicides.
     
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    No you read it again. There was a drop in suicides for one age group
     
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    That is pure B.S. if someone wants to commit suicide, you are not going to prevent or even stall it with gun control, they commit suicide in prisons, no guns, they commit suicide in Countries with no guns like Japan, hanging is the number one method, not guns, women almost never use guns as it makes a mess and women are very vain about their looks.

    I have responded in an Official capacity to many suicides and in other Countries and firearms accounted for less than 10% of the total suicides.

    There is no way to prevent suicides in any case, suicide by Cop is another but less common method.

    Would you rather someone suffer Alzheimer's or Dementia or Senility or Cancer and suffer through a long terminal illness ?

    Or depart life with dignity and quality of life intact ?
     
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    Anecdotal evidence dismissed
     
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    You are just ****_****** this is no anecdotal anything, it is pure statistics proved by first responders in E.M.S., F.D.N.Y. N.Y.P.D.
    N.Y.S.P.D. Medical Doctors in N.Y.S. and the A.MA.. So get stuffed....

    I observed it first hand....
     
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    My my. How angry. Then present the actual statistics
     
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