CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly ~ through ~ aerosols and droplets

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-20/coronavirus-aerosol-airborne-spread

This Friday, the CDC has updated its guidance to acknowledge a bigger role for aerosols, which linger in the air and infect people well beyond the 6ft usual social distance.

Implications are many. After this guidance was provided, there is talk of air purifiers/filters in closed environments, and ceiling UV lights, as well as open windows when possible. Also, masks should have a tighter fit/seal. It can be achieved with micropore tape around the edges or the 3 interlaced rubber bands I've been talking about. Certainly if the main transmission route is aerosol it greatly decreases the theoretical efficacy of cloth masks which filter poorly particles this size, and increases the need for N95 respirators and high grade surgical masks (like ASTM level 3) which are all thankfully back in the market and can be purchased from various vendors, now.

But fighting off an aerosol-borne virus is an uphill battle. It is much harder to contain and filter out than a predominance of droplet transmission. It explains why many people say that masks are useless as the contagion continues even in places that mask up, but I insist, the best masks do deliver some measure of protection against aerosolized clouds with viable viruses. Don't forget the eyes. Goggles help.

Given that the above advice is followed by not many, and generally ridiculed as paranoia (the knee jerk reaction is to say, what, do you want a full hazmat suit or a space suit?), it is indeed an uphill battle. I'll continue to follow my own advice, and so do my wife and my children, but I understand that not many are willing to follow it, and I also understand that even with these precautions someone in my family can still get it, but I do believe that it is advisable to at least decrease the odds of it happening by being extra prudent.

 

Hot damn, if we wait a week or two CDC will change its mind.

 

Hazmat suits. That's the future. Democrats would insist they have patches. I'm not exactly sure why, but democrats always seem to want to categorize folks, so things like stars, and triangles, and others seem likely to become super popular again with the democratic party. It is their way you know...

 

I'm seeing a lot of panties bunched up.

Wear your mask, wash your hands, carry on.

 

This is what happens when you rely on evidence instead of conspiracy theories and Trump's gut -- you have to consider new evidence as it comes along. And the conspiracy theorists will use this an excuse to attack the very concept of evidence-based decision making.

 

Yeah, wearing a mask is totally like the Holocaust. I mean, I remember the stories my grandfather talking about his time in a Nazi prison camp and it was basically the same thing, and the Nazis were basically the same thing as Democrats . . . even though he was a Democrat. Sweet baby Jesus do you guys have any shame . . . or respect for history?

 

Refer to your own party's rhetoric here. I just react to it. When you want folks to suit up because its what the CDC recommended, you'll remember we had this chat, and of course, you'll be reminded. Should this come to pass Democrats will do what democrats always do. Or do you forget your own history, and the internment camps established by democrats in this country? Did you forget this part?

 

I've seen nothing like this from the LP and I've criticized people of all parties who have resorted to this nonsense.

No, you are spreading it yourself and trying to use the "but they do it too" excuse as if this were an elementary schoolyard

Don't worry, I never forget when people make irresponsible and intellectually dishonest Nazi comparisons.

Nothing in "my own history" involves internment camps, except for my grandfather's stories about his time in the camps. As for the shameful Japanese camps, those were enthusiastically supported by both parties. I can only think of maybe 2 Republicans who spoke out against them at the time.

But whatever it takes to keep pushing fake Nazi comparisons and **** on the grave of everyone they killed and everyone who fought against them just for a cheap, shoddy political football.

 

You may be physic. They flopped today.

 

FYI, the CDC is an organization. It doesn't posses a mind.
But there are a lot of people with minds that work for the CDC.

And guess what, testing, studying, and gathering of information on something brand new, often leads to new results on how something operates.

Do you find that odd? IF so, why?

 

Good Lord. I’m so glad I do my own research and make my own decisions.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/21/cdc-covid-aerosols-airborne-guidelines/

care to rephrase any comments? I'm glad that you and your family go to extreme measures. I however would not hold my breath awaiting the CDC to be accurate any time soon. As you are probably aware, the piece that you posted has been retracted

for those who are afraid, I encourage all of you to remain within your homes and mask up. That will reduce traffic, the amount of people within buildings and keep you safe from a virus. Flu season is also coming and I encourage you to remain within your homes during that time as well.

 

Internment camps
opposed liberty for slaves
opposed women voting
oppose allowing children in poor neighborhoods to attend better schools

not a good track record for the Democrat party

 

Depends on what the shadows on Caputo's ceiling tell him...

 

We don't even have to wait a week for the retraction.

 

Or the White House will involve itself again

 

From the link in the OP

“Aerosols can travel farther than six feet, but they’re more concentrated the closer you get, so standing as far away as possible reduces risk,” Milton said. “The reason that bars have been such a big problem is that people get loud when they get alcohol onboard and move close together to hear, and you can’t drink a beer or a shot with a mask on.”

The CDC is responding to the fact that as the weather gets colder and schools open...indoors is a risk

 

Because the White House has involved itself in CDC pronouncements.

Have you forgotten that?

 

Yes, I'm aware it was retracted, likely due to political pressure. The scientific community has been asking the CDC to take this stance... they did... and hours later had to retract it, we know why. If the CDC were headquartered in another country, there would have been no retraction. Obviously this administration doesn't want bad coronavirus news this close to the election, thus the retraction, because airborne aerosol being an important means of transmission is bad news.

As for your advice for me to remain within my home, that's impossible since we are healthcare workers so we need to go to the hospital everyday to work.

 

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read here on Political Forum. I'm not a Democrat so I'm under no obligation to defend them, but the level of hyperbole here is mind-boggling.

 

Anyone remember me pointing out Dr. Fauci admitted aerosols are responsible for spread and then saying 6 feet distancing is good enough? He gave this information to medical professionals at a grand rounds presentation at Harvard @CenterField had an interesting thread about recently.

Now Fauci is on record lying for the common good. It’s been accepted as the correct path by most leftists here. How do we know this isn’t his idea to actually protect you all knowing his comments on aerosols and distancing mirror the CDC flip flop?

If nobody was concerned about Fauci sending oxymoronic messages two weeks ago on the subject why get our panties in a wad now when the CDC does so?

Sorry folks, this is old news I delivered to you all almost two weeks ago. If you didn’t care then because you care more about the messenger than the message there shouldn’t be outrage now.

 

This post didn't help me much.
Which is it?

 

I’m trying to point out the fact this is old news. The CDC and WHO have been avoiding admitting aerosol transmission is relevant for....forever. @Bowerbird made a post I think a couple months ago about how WHO may be coming around, but tardily. I agreed with her. Only now have they (WHO)made a definitive statement.

Two weeks ago Fauci basically told healthcare professionals what the CDC told us this week by admitting aerosol transmission and then removing the guidelines to address aerosol spread.

It seems silly to me to care if the CDC makes goofy statements but not to care if Fauci does.

As far as aerosol spread in general, I’ve always believed it’s a factor. A warning from me the end of May:

Maybe my post that didn’t help you was just ranting out of frustration. I’ll try and be helpful now. I know you already do your own looking into things so it’s not a criticism of you personally. But the most helpful thing I can say is for everyone to think for yourself. Admit everyone in politics is spinning science to further an agenda. If health and safety are your concern, tune these clowns out. All of them.

 

You are right. I couldn't care less if the CDC flip-flops, if the WHO flip-flops, if Fauci flip-flops. I mean, I do care because it's damaging. But I also mean, regarding whether or not these agencies and these officials are lying or flip-flopping or not, doesn't change *my* notion that yes, aerosol transmission is important, and a matter of great concern. This is what the scientific community has been saying forever: beware of aerosol. Social distancing may not be enough. Googles are important because eyes can also run into a cloud of aerosol.

So, yes, I started this thread by quoting the CDC and later they withdrew it (likely due to political pressure - no bad news are allowed...).

But the spirit of this thread is: aerosol transmission is real. Be careful. Protect yourselves as much as possible.

 

I can not come up with a rational explanation for the reluctance of all of these organizations to ignore this method of transmission for so long. It’s bizarre. And Trump doesn’t control them all so I can’t personally fall back on that explanation.