he's trying to use big words so he sounds smart, but he's in over his head as he is outsmarting himself. that or English is a second language and he almost has it... but not quite
This thread is about women being raped.... It has nothing to do with relationships or the lack of commitment from either men or women.
Would chics be raped more often or less often if they are busier trying to get us to clamor for relationships, instead?
trap a male by getting knocked up.... I hear ya. That happens all the time. I went to FSU, a place where many NFL prospects are walking the campus. Even more so when I went there as we were actually good in the 90's. All a girl needed to do was get knocked up by an football player and they knew they were set for at least 18 years. When you can make more per month off of child support than you could working..... that's a tempting offer
clamoring for a relationship and getting knock-up are two different things. my view accounts for gender studies which claim that women have superior people skills and don't need to resort to manipulative tactics to get us to clamor for relationships, especially in modern times.
I think he's saying that if a drunk man asks a drunk woman for sex, and the drunk woman says yes, it's not an actual rape. I agree on that note. I also agree that no means no, even if both are drunk.
A reoccuring topic seems to be the difference between actual rape and vengeful regret, but this line should not prevent a person from receiving help from such a traumatizing experience. As a fellow student at Penn State, I've also witnessed firsthand how gender roles have created this sense of male superiority over women in our society. Regardless of the location, whether you're at a frathouse or walking downtown, and regardless of how you are dressed, as a woman, you are liable to be objectified in some way. I think this aspect of our culture has made instances of rape more acceptable, rather than addressing it as a serious issue. If a person claims to be sexually assaulted, their claim should be taken seriously. No one should simply assume that a false accusation is being made in a bitter attempt to get back at a person they wish they wouldn't have slept with. Who are we to tell a person they were not sexually assaulted?
Innocent until proven guilty. Its dangerous to just write a blank check for any woman who claims sexual assault. I agree, take it seriously, but be allowed to investigate it and determine if the facts really do suggest sexual assault or rather, vengeful regret. But if its determined its regret, yes we can say "you were not sexually assaulted" . If it was assault, prosecute. Girls that false accuse of rape should be listed as sexual offer fees and let the risk of their lives being ruined like they tried to do to the guy.
Sorry to hear about your situation and it doesn't surprise me in the least that people attacked you for claiming it. You just proved my point for me, thanks. I couldn't agree with you more. Rape in the lowest of the low, absolutely sickening. I think the punishments for rape should be so severe that even the thought of it would be enough to deter people.
I don't disagree with you at all about rape being a VERY immoral crime... In fact, as you will see in my previous post I said I felt it was the lowest form of crime a person could commit against another..... I do know however that people don't always think thier way through what they claim.... Especially if it can get them out of trouble in some way. Like was mentioned earlier. A person is innocent until proven guilty and as much as I might hate to admit it... even criminals do deserve due process. Now once that due process is done, I have no problem with the swift execution of the fullest arm of the law... Which should be alot more exteme in my opinion....
a drug dealer gets shot during a drug deal..... does buying/selling drugs by the victim excuse the shooting or the shooter from their crime?.... absolutely not. But noone has a problem telling the person shot "well, if you don't want to get shot, how about you don't buy/sell drugs" Why is it noone is allowed to tell girls "well, if you don't want to get sexually assaulted, maybe you shouldn't dress like a whore" Does a girl wearing a short dress with no panties excuse the rape, or rapist from their crime? .... Absolutely not. But making yourself an easy target, or putting yourself into bad situations sure doesn't help.
I actually just watched a documentary on that exact topic titled "Invisible War." It was very disturbing and incredibly sad to learn about.
Oh, I understand where you are coming from now... quite honestly I think that is an incredibly grey and complicated issue and am now sure how to deal with it, especially since I am not sure how prolific the "yes at night no in the morning" type of accusations there are and also the situations that usually surround them.
I know, that for the purpose of this forum, I usually use "she" simply because it is categorized under "women's rights." However, rape in general is by no means only a women's issue and that the issue of men being raped and assaulted is just as serious.
Is your "oops I didn't mean to do that" referring to the women who wake up the next morning with regrets (false accusations) or the men who take something too far?
I'm happy to hear that I am not the only one concerned with this issue on our campus but, of course, disturbed that it is an issue to begin with.
First of all, the term whore is relative, and honestly is just another way to degrade women. Just because someone's view of sexuality and expression is different from your own does not give you the right to objectify them. (I am using you as a societal you, not necessarily YOU as a person). This being said, saying a person was "dressed like a whore" is a big part of the problem that I associate with rape and a HUGE part of rape culture. The idea that we as a society (and quite honestly a society which for a majority of our history was run by men) believe it is our right to define women who dress a certain way as "bad" and therefore inherently more sexual contributes to the idea that women are sexual objects and therefore are up for the judgement, and the carrying out of that judgement, by men. Additionally, while you added that dressing a certain way does not excuse rape, the idea that a woman is somehow responsible for her own assault if she was dressing a certain way certainly also contributes to rape culture, and subsequently, the desensitization of rape and assaults, especially on college campuses. That being said I completely agree that, sadly, a woman needs to constantly be aware of her surroundings. However, saying "well if you don't want to get sexually assaulted, maybe you shouldn't dress like a whore" is, in my opinion, completely out of line. That fits right into the excuse that "her clothes provoked me" which I hope most people can agree is actually not an excuse at all, but instead a disturbing psychopathic attempt to shift blame.
Is it any wonder that some mostly nice guys have developed an appreciation of Man's invention of money and the Institution of money based markets especially in modern times?
I was referring to the woman that wakes up the next morning with regrets and then of course make false accusations so it doesn't get them caught up in some kind of mess. You know its bad that the possiblity of that would even arise or for that matter the assult itself. Guess there is always a good way to prevent the majority of cases... But we live in a sexual world and what fun would that be huh?
Is it wrong for mostly nice guys to only put out relationships for the chics that are doing us the most?
But in any other situation, you would be responsible for being in a position to be a victim. If I wear a thousand dollar suit and flash hundred dollar bills around in a high crime area, no one would call it "blaming the victim" to point out how stupid that is. If I'm posting my SSN online, no one would be called on "blaming the victim" when it turns out that my stupid decisions got me a bad case of identity theft. Only in the case of rapes is it considered in bad form to point out that getting blackout drunk a a frat party while dressed as a hooker might have something to do with the rape. I don't think that excuses the rape at all. the guy who takes advantage of a girl is still a rapist. What I'm suggesting is that women are adults and need to make adult decisions about how to behave. In fact, I think the reason that we aren't talking about the woman's part in this suggests that we still think that a woman is unable to handle the responsibility of adulthood. You don't blame a kid for being a victim of a crime because he's not a grownup who could have made rational decisions that would make him less likely to be a target. We don't expect a teen to think that posting his entire life history on the internet might lead to identity theft, so when it happens that way, we don't say that (except maybe his parents, who don't want him to deal with the destroyed credit of a teen). We don't say that to women because deep down we think a woman is the same thing as a stupid kid. We can't expect her to look in the mirror and realize that looking like a porn star might lead to unwanted sexual attention. We can't expect her to think that getting blackout drunk while surrounded by men she doesn't know could easily lead to bad things happening. She's not really a grownup capable of adult thinking.
Maybe, but how many people in a high crime area are claiming they want a girlfriend to come home with them?
just like if you flash money in a dark part of town in a crime ridden area..... getting mugged is not right and the robber gets arrested. if you wear a short dress, pass out drunk and show the world you ain't wearing underwear, it doesn't make the rape right, and the guy should be arrested.. but being in the right is of little consolation when you got beat up and robbed. It's also little consolation after being raped. I always scratch my head when it's ok to tell someone to not be an idiot to prevent scenario 1, but it's sexist to suggest that maybe the girl should take some preventative measures to make sure she doesn't become a victim. Don't drink to passed out if you aren't with someone. Wear some jeans. Don't go to a party alone, or have a way home if you choose to get drunk. I'd rather my daughter NOT be raped, then to allow her to think she's invinceable because rape is against the law.
I hope Man can eventually be man enough to let women prance around naked and not be violated, unless she insists.
