Colorado Christian cakeshop sued a third time for discrimination.

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    No, they DO NOT admit to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. You're going to have to quote a media source if you understand otherwise.

    Given that they happily serve gay people all the time, it should ALREADY be difficult to prove!
    In the case of the florist, the customer was her FRIEND! What more do people need to see that sexual orientation isn't the issue?

    Discrimination laws are unnecessary because the insignificant amount of discriminating businesses (0.01% as you say) means that it's not worth government intervention in private enterprise in trying to a change behaviour which barely exists. These laws are in a different context to murder, which obviously doesn't only apply to private enterprise. In determining the necessity of a law, I do think that context matters. Good argument though, it certainly got me to think. I look forward to a counter-argument if you have one.

    And the same people wouldn't try to make a political case out of business owners who routinely kick gay people out of their business? I wonder why we haven't heard of such cases.

    What are the LOW profile ones?
     
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    Is he wealthy? Those lawsuits are expensive.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Thankfully he has the AWESOME Alliance Defending Freedom on his side!
     
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    The point is that the sequence of events isn't disputed. The business owners admit that they refused to provide services for a same-sex wedding that they would for an opposite-sex wedding. The question isn't whether they did it or not but whether it does (and should) fall within the scope of the legislation.

    There's no such thing as a little bit equal. Serving homosexual customers day-to-day but refusing to serve their wedding is still treating them differently to heterosexual customers.

    It's like letting black people ride the bus but not on the whites-only seating or letting woman work for you but paying them less for the same work. Maybe you think that discrimination to be allowed if it was based on religious beliefs too?

    Maybe it barely exists because of the deterrent effect of the law and the cultural impact of it being introduced?

    You also have the unresolved contradiction that these cases aren't arguing for discrimination law to be repealed because it's unnecessary, they're arguing for discrimination law to be retained but with exceptions based on religious grounds.

    Because such blatant examples generally won't happen. Of course, if we go with your plan to scrap the laws, that would become perfectly legal so you're not in a strong position to raise it.

    I was thinking the day-to-day low level discrimination loads of different people experience all the time including when dealing with businesses.
     
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    That dog better not order from that cake shop! The ASPCA will be on that joint like a fly to fly paper.
     
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    No. Right-wingers believe in mythical BS called a "soul."
     
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    What does that have to do with a woman's right to her womb?
     
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    A right to her womb in that what goes in and what comes out, and when? Or the right to keep her womb because it's hers.
     
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    We had a female dog when I was young that never had to be spayed. She would just not let a male mount her.
     
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    Just like a few females that I have known.
     
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    the baker brings this on himself, it they can't make wedding cakes without discriminating... don't sell wedding cakes
     
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    yes, the baker is "a low life piece of human waste with nothing better to do with their time!" just make the cake... or stop selling them... problem solved
     
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    How about FaceBook?

    They refuse to accept everyone who wants to post there

    Liberals can dish it out but they cant take it
     
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    facebook is a members only club.. as I have said many times, the baker can become a members only club and then discriminate, though he may have to move his business depending on zoning laws

    the baker wont do that though as many people woudl not want to sign up to belong to such a anti-gay club and he would lose sales
     
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    Now you are hiding behind legal mumbo jumbo

    As soon as the homosexual was denied membership all of libdom would still protest the same as now
     
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    can protest all you want, but would not be a crime for them to do so

    like the baker that sets up a private club, people could still protest, just the baker would no longer be committing a crime
     
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    This is nothing but pervert harrassment of Christians

    Gays just want to be left alone my ass
     
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    if the baker would of just sold him the cake like everyone else, we would not even be talking about this - the baker brought this on themselves

    no one said they want to be left alone and denied service.... they want to be treated equally... one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
     
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    Why do homosexuals insist on pushing their perverted lifestyle where is isnt wanted?

    Because they are sickos
     
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    Gays want equal treatment.
    Period
     
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    Republicans want to impede on a woman's rights because they believe that the microscopic clump of cells in her womb has a soul.
     
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    So do pedophiles and folks into beastiality

    There is always some new frontier for the left to conquer
     
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    It’s terrifying that you see no difference in a consensual adult relationship and the rape of a child.

    Hopefully you are monitored while around kids.
     
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    When liberals legalize pedophilia it will no longer be called rape in the liberish language

    Or pedophilia

    And conservatives who continue to do so will be labeled bigots
     

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