CONDITIONS WORSEN FOR IMMIGRANTS, TRUMP SAYS IS UNFOUNDED

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  1. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    16% is most in Common Core math i would guess ~
     
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    That seems to be at odds with this:

    Twenty-eight percent of migrants released in the U.S. didn’t show up for their hearings during the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2017, according to the latest DOJ records. Of the 149,436 immigrants that were released in the U.S. during that time, 41,384 were no-shows.

    Over a five-year period through the end of September 2017, the records show 23 percent of undocumented migrants released in the U.S. didn’t show up to legal hearings. Of the 665,930 immigrants who were released,151,492 were no-shows.

    Those seeking asylums - also called asylees - have been the most cooperative group; 11 percent of them didn’t go to their hearings in fiscal 2017. DOJ records show that 43,013 people seeking asylum had court hearings scheduled in 2017, and 4,776 didn’t show up,

    Over a five-year period, 10.1 percent of asylees were no-shows. There were 130,092 hearings scheduled, and 13,130 people didn’t come.

    https://www.politifact.com/virginia...b-wittman-says-85-percent-immigrants-skip-th/
     
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    Even using your figures, that is a massive amount of people. Assuming your best case scenario is correct and 28% of immigrants are skipping their hearings, I assume you would then support any ICE raids to deport those who are skipping their hearings.

    Here is another article on the topic:

    Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan told the Senate Judiciary Committee during Tuesday’s hearing that 90 percent of asylum-seekers who come into the country are not to be seen again.

    “It depends on demographic, the court, but we see too many cases where people are not showing up,” McAleenan said. “Out of those 7,000 cases, 90 received final orders of removal in absentia, 90 percent.”

    “Ninety percent did not show up?” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asked.

    “Correct, that is a recent sample from families crossing the border,” McAleenan responded.

    https://ijr.com/dhs-secretary-whopping-percentage-migrants-dont-show-hearing/
     
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    Well you are correct it is complex, but the issue is escalating out of hand, and a wall will not fix it.
     
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    Your second set of cherry picked numbers have also been debunked, but you need to find out about that one for yourself. You only get one free. :)

    I have no problem deporting those that are no shows assuming you have enough manpower to do it without letting the criminals run free.
    I see absolutely no reason to publicize those deportations. In addition to being counterproductive it borders on terrorism.
     
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    Once upon a time there was a Yuge immigration bill that passed the Senate with bipartisan support.
    Unfortunately they always require amnesty to make them work well and get public support. The R's of course can't have this because all their anti immigrant rhetoric probably makes them democrat voters even if the R's help pass the bill.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-summary-093557
     
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    I agree that a wall by itself will not fix it. However, it will be greatly beneficial and will help. As I said, I have been along the whole border. I know what is happening....or not happening. People seem to want to downplay the benefit of a wall....mainly for partisan reasons. Those people are absolutely wrong.
     
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    No, without it being manned, a wall is a waste.
     
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    Good find !!
     
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    I would have to disagree with you. It would not be a waste.....it just would not be an absolute impediment.
     
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    Fine we will agree to disagree, I appreciate your approach and demeanor.
     
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    Power is all they care about.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Another lie. Republicans are not anti immigrant. Try anti ILLEGAL immigrant.
     
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    If you gave them a green card they wouldn't be illegal anymore would they?
     
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    I don't reward lawbreakers. Why do you?
     
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    Because I want to fix this problem. Don't you want to do that?
     
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    Yes. Build the wall. What's your solution?
     
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    Read the link.
     
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    There is no link. Fail. Bye.
     
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    You just can't argue with the racist and twisted Donald Trump. Here's what he claimed about immigrants.
    Trump states categorically that all Immigrates are:
    " bringing drugs", "bringing crime","they're rapists", "and some, I assume, are good people". No one can put together compromise legislation with a racist monster like this. Even if I print my source for photos a mentality like this would simple claim it to be false and fake news which is the mantra used 100% of the time when Trumps negatives are exposed
     
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    Every illegal alien is, my definition, a criminal, based entirely on the fact they are entering the united states in an illegal manner.

    If they do not like the conditions they are being met with, they are free to return to the nations that were originally their homes. It is not that difficult of a concept to comprehend. If they do not like how the united states is treating them, they can go to somewhere else that will treat them better.
     
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    Correct: Trump shows his contempt for the American people by misinforming them.
    "FCMP allowed immigrants with pending court cases to go free, but paired them with social workers who offered legal guidance and ensured the immigrants showed up to their hearings. It had an impressive success rate. All of the participants kept their court appointments, and 99% made it to their check-ins with immigration authorities, according to a 2017 audit by the Office of the Inspector General. Only 2% of the roughly one thousand participants fled.

    Its price tag is $36 a day, according to the AP—significantly lower than what it costs to house immigrants families together or separately. A night at the “tent city” for children erected near the border is more than $700 per person; the cost of a bed at a family detention facility is about $318, according to Homeland Security’s 2019 budget proposal.

    Unlike any detention involving children, FCMP wasn’t at odds with the Flores agreement, a 1997 court settlement that states children can’t be locked up for long periods of time."
    https://qz.com/1312707/trumps-famil...ne-alternative-to-jailing-immigrant-families/
     
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    Trump is a racist moron who doesn't have a clue in the least about the art of legislation.. He will never ever get cooperation with the Democrats without dealing with immigrants who have been here for years or started out as kids going to U.S.elementary schools. .
    Like I said the Democrats cannot strike compromise legislation with a racist pathological president who claims all immigrants categorically are:
    bringing drugs, bringing crime, or they're rapists, And some, I assume, are good people."
     
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    Since your post was complete B.S.you don't have the guts to stand your ground. You don't have the guts to post a link that shows my exact picture was from El Salvador.. This is so Trump, he makes viscous claims then in a cowardly fasion runs away when truth is demanded.
     
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