Current CIA Head Converted to Islam

I think the CIA knows what it's doing most of the time. I hope they're right on this too. If he is truly loyal to his job and America, then he's a brilliant piece of strategy. He may know exactly how to get these guys.
When did he convert and why? We'll never know. It is strange and interesting.

 

It's troubling because had he been a Muslim all along I would just figure he is a moderate. But usually when people convert to a religion, particularly Islam, it is an extreme shift in life perspective and moderation usually doesn't come into the equation.

 

Even if I were to accept the premise that we are fighting such a war, it's against "Fundamentalist" Islam.... not Islam in general.

Seriously. Are guys channeling McCarthy, or are you just fellow travelers?

 

It's time to start being honest with ourselves.

 

I'm totally honest with myself. Failing to agree with your xenophobic paranoia and apocalyptic clash-of-civilizations vision does not make me dishonest. It makes me sane and rational.

Our main problem is a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of Muslims. A slightly larger but less threatening problem is the still-tiny proportion of Muslims who have at least some sympathy with that tiny, tiny, tiny sliver.

 

I read posts like this and thank God that there were not enough people like you around during World War II. People like you would have had no problems if J. Edgar Hoover was replaced as 1st Director of the FBI by a Nazi - and you would have criticized any critics.

 

You just called the majority of the intelligence community xenophobic paranoid and apocalyptic clash-of-civilizations visionaries.

 

Nope. They don't think we're fighting a war with Islam, either. We're fighting a war with a tiny, whacked-out subset of extremist Muslims, who mostly use their religion to justify their actions.

This is not an existential threat. It is a pinprick, in the global scheme of things.

 

It's time to start being honest.

 

So you agree it's a religious war.

And for the record a lot more than a tiny portion of Muslims support the fundamentalist minority. Polls showed actually a majority of Muslims, regardless of what country they reside in, sympathize with Al Qaeda.

 

That analogy is not even close to accurate.

National Socialism was a specific political movement.

Islam is a giant religion.

Most of the German leadership was Christian of one sort or another, as was most of the country. But somehow I bet you didn't have a problem with us American Christians being in charge of resisting those German Christians.

Xenophobia is illogical.

 

Yes, because CIA agents have never broken the law or gone to prison.

 

Hardly. We're fighting because there is an organized group trying to do us harm. That group happens to be organized around a whacked-out version of Islam. But it's not about religion; it's about extremists. And most relevantly, *our* religion has nothing to do with it. *We* are not motivated by religion.

Incorrect.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/05/02...redited-among-muslim-publics-in-recent-years/

 

Exactly! Some people - not all, of course, but some people who get sucked into a certain religion, whether it's Islam, certain denominations of a radical Christian faith, etc, puts their beliefs in that religion b/f any other part of their lives.... they become unbalanced and dangerous religious zealots.

Look at the Westboro Baptist Church......

Look at the MUSLIM Army psychologist in Ft. Hood, who suddenly went off his rocker screaming "ALLAH ACKTAR!" and killed 13 soldiers and injured 29 more...

And some converts end up more radical and obsessed by their new-found faith than those born into that religion...

That converted Muslim is a risk that shouldn't ever be taken....

 

They are the only true Muslims. They follow the religion to the T, and the so-called "moderates" know this and lend their moral support to those fightign for their fiath.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/2581/fbi-chief-muslim-brotherhood-supports-terrorism

 

So far so good....

Um, why? Don't you suppose he ought to be put through security checks like every other *individual*?

Did you have a problem with American Christians opposing German Christians in World War II?

 

BS. That's like saying fundamentalist Christians are the only true Christians. But that even overstates the size of the Islamist problem. It's more like saying only Creationist Flat Earthers are true Christians.

 

I would say that. Whoever follows the bible is the true christian. Whoever stays true to christ's word is the true chiristian. And the bible clearly says the earth is round so you're pretty clueless on that front.

 

Okay. Now that you've just said that 98% of the world's Christians aren't "true" Christians, try that line out on the believers around here.

Not exactly. You are applying a lot of post-hoc analysis to it to get that interpretation.

It's possible some civilizations of the time knew or believed the Earth was round. There is some indication that the Chinese and Egyptians, for instance, had at least an inkling. If the Egyptians believed it, it makes sense to think the Israelites did.

But the evidence in the Bible is exceedingly thin.

And then there are the passages that suggest or require a flat earth:

Matthew 4:8: "He took Jesus to an extremely high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the cosmos."
Daniel (4:10-11) "I saw a tree of great height in the middle of the earth. It reached to the skies, and could be seen from the farthest edges of the earth."

 

Staying true to the bible and christ's word, most self-proclaimed christians are not going to be true believers. +1 for the bible.

 

I admit, I find it odd that a Westerner deeply involved in counter terrorism for many years would, in the post 9/11 era, look at Islam and decide, "Yep, that's the religion for me!"

However... I don't think he would have been in that position unless CIA really trusted him in that position. There are other muslims who work for the CIA. Some Muslims are anxious to fight counter terrorism because of the stain it brings to their religion. The CIA isn't immune to the same sort of political correctness that allowed the Army to close their eyes at MAJ Hasan, but the CIA does polygraph and run background checks out the wazoo.

 

He should be outta there. The Fort hood terrorist murderer was attending conferences with the democrats on the subject WITH obama. it's suicide to keep these people IN PLACES of authority in our own government and agencies. You wouldn't catch any other country doing it....well except the brits and the french and the scandinavians. But then, they've already lost their minds.

 

Given how Islam has been caricatured by the xenophobes, that's understandable.

But if your job is to actually learn about Islam and you discover how it's practiced by religious moderates -- who make up the vast majority of Muslims -- it's not so surprising.

Islam as practiced by moderates looks a lot like Judaism and Christianity.

Yep.

 

"These people" meaning, of course, all Muslims.

So again, what was your stance on American Christians being responsible for fighting German Christians in World War II?

 

Religious persecution... not a good thing. If Roger does his job I don't care what his race, sex, or religion is. Not sure why anyone would. If he doesn't do his job, well... I still don't care but then it would make sense to fire him.​