Current results of Sweden's approach

Padding the covid numbers with presumed cases makes the numbers for covid questionable at best. I’ve lost three people to cancer in my personal life in a very short time and five of cvd. Have you known a single one that died of confirmed covid? And lets leave the US for a bit and visit starvation and other communicable diseases that you don’t even want to talk about. Enjoy your drama though because I have to live with real health worries!!
And controlled exposure here in the Netherlands has brought this country back pretty quickly.
Avoiding exposure just prolongs the economic and health problems.

 

So what number of Covid deaths would you agree are not questionable.

 

The ones that actually tested positive for c-19 and not the ones that were deemed close enough to be c-19 by symptoms which are extremely vague.

 

If you don't agree with the 170,000+ Covid deaths give me a number you feel is closer to the actual.

 

So what was the cause of death of the excess 190,000 deaths this year to date in the US above the average total number of deaths from all causes averaged over last 5 years in the equivalent period?

 

Numbers, numbers.

A number you failed to include in your post is the number for the Infection Fatality Rate, the number of people killed by the virus in ratio to the number of those infected with the virus.

It is an extremely low number, even though it is quite vague because of so many persons infected who never sought medical help and thus were not included in the calculation.

It is far less than 1. For younger age groups it is almost 0

I know at least 100 people who were infected, and still do not know 1 person who died from it.

News accounts tell stories of persons killed in motorcycle accidents that were classified as dead from the virus. That fundamental error has been committed all over the country.

Here is what some doctors in Germany think about it:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/08...ll-over-the-world-german-doctors-on-covid-19/

 

They totally succeeded because they value quality of life for the living. A decent burial for the deceased, but quality of life for the living.

It is you who has no concern about quality of life for those remaining.

 

What have "succeeded" in doing? Causing thousands of unnecessary deaths for no economic gain?

 

That was ONE incident that was quickly rectified

Prove it

 

Two posts, and not a single mention of your concern for quality of life for those still here. Not a word, and that is no surprise.

Big tears for those who have died, but not a word or act of support for those still living.

 

So on the one hand we talk about being able to get a haircut or go to a restaurant...and on the other hand we are talking about killing off the elderly

And you of course are more concerned about haircuts

 

You sir, are full of hot air and anger. Likely driven by fear.

 

All you can come up with an ad hominem?

I’m shocked... really

 

It's funny how this accusation of fear is doing the rounds now in relation to the global pandemic.
Same people who were sh1tting themselves at the thought of caravans of migrants heading for the border.
Seems as if it's OK to be in fear of migrants but not OK to be scared that granny could die.

 

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, but are you suggesting that the reaction to the Covid is not driven by fear?

Do you mean to say there is no fear mongering by the mainstream media about this?

 

I'm suggesting that the reaction to migrants is driven by fear.
Would you say there is no fear-mongering by right-wing media about this?

 

To be more specific, I would say that the reaction to migrants is driven by xenophobia, a widespread part of the human condition.

Xenophobia itself is basically fear driven, yes.

Both sides of the media, left and right, exploit fears and emotions as they please in the advancing of their various agenda.

 

Right.
Now do you understand the hypocrisy of accusing one side of fear over a deadly virus but accepting the use of fear-mongering over migrants?

 

Hypocrisy runs rampant in the human society. It too is part of the human condition.

 

Just like fear...

 

It’s important to remember a great percentage of C19 deaths will be directly attributable to cardiovascular disease comorbidities. Our lifestyle choices are not without consequences, especially when a new virus enters stage right.

 

The fact is that in many places people who have died of fatal injuries who happened to have tested positive are listed as covid deaths.

George Floyd tested positive, I’m surprised his cause of death was not listed as Covid.

 

Link to that info?

 

If you answer to a post, its recommanded you read it. I just copy and paste the comment you were reacting but not answering to, because you simply missed the decisive point.

Concerning the video you posted in the link:

They themselves should prove some numbers. Sure there have been surgeries, which have been delayed due to Corona crisis, but the numbers up to 90% there should be some reliable data to it. However these guys do invite politicians to discuss with them their measures. As the German political caste is a corrupt and uses its power via mainstream media to smear and lie about those people, these guys have definitely the high-ground in this discussion in my opinion when it comes to style, culture and integrity. It does not make their position necessarily right, when it comes to the subject.

 

The entire Trump/GOP platform is about instilling fear and here's why its effective...

That explains so much! Never the twain shall meet so let's part ways already.