Current results of Sweden's approach

With the luxury of hindsight, we now know that the Swedish approach was the correct approach, and that the US and pretty much the rest of the world's approach, driven by the fear mongers in WHO and CDC, was wrong.

 

migrants? Do you mean illegal border crossings?

 

You managed to get that backwards yet again.

Sweden sacrificed THOUSANDS...in the false hope of "saving the economy" through herd immunity.

They achieved neither

Their direct neighbors have fared far better in terms of death and infection and the damage to their economies have been almost identical

 

Unsupported dribble- While is true that initially Sweden experienced a higher death rate - pretending that this is the whole story is patent falsehood. Sweden is now experiencing a lower death rate and has a higher rate of herd immunity - so your claim that Sweden did not achieve this is false.

 

LOL, now THAT very much IS an emotional response.

 

Nope. It is a statement opinion based on actual fact ...again...not an emotional response

You seem very good at false characterizations

 

"Lower death rate" than what? Certainly not their neighbors. As far as herd immunity...they are nowhere near it.

 

You seem most excellent at offering narrow views that avoid looking at the proverbial Big Picture, but this isn't about you and me.

7 months later the US and Sweden are at about the same place on all the curves and graphs, but Sweden did not crush its economy in the process, and Swedish citizens are not in a quasi civil war over a virus with an IFR much lower than 1.

 

You should elect a president who promises to build a big beautiful wall. That'll fix it...

 

Cannot compare Sweden with the US. Compare Sweden with Norway or Finland, the closest two countries with same demographics and location. BTW The US tried the herd immunity approach and it was disastrous as did the UK and Brazil

 

What law says there can be no comparisons between Sweden and US?

Does such a comparison threaten a certain Fauci narrative? Does it provide too much perspective?

 

1) I did not claim that they have achieved herd immunity - as usual you can note post without false accusation/inference.
2) Sweden now has a lower death rate than most of its neighbors at present.. you are talking out your backside without having any clue whether what you are saying is true or false.

Look at the chart of "Daily new cases" Sweden vs France.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/#:~:text=Sweden Coronavirus: 87,072 Cases and 5,817 Deaths - Worldometer

Picking out the latest Stat from the chart. France is over 5000 new cases per day ... Sweden is at 160.

Clearly not spreading as fast in Sweden = what happens which herd immunity kicks in.

Further - the folks in Sweden who do get Covid are ending up in Critical or Serious condition at rates far lower than other nations -

France 137,519 active cases - 410 in serious/critical condition
Sweden 72,958 active cases - 21 in serious /critical condition

= another sign of herd immunity.

 

1. I made no "accusation". I corrected your false statement. They ARE nowhere near herd immunity

2.Sweden has the same or higher current death rate as their neighbors...Norway, Denmark, and Finland. See YOUR link for proof

With thousands more deaths and infections along the way and just as much economic damage

 

Post from the link where that is the case - you have no clue what you are talking about

Picking out the latest Stat from the chart. France is over 5000 new cases per day ... Sweden is at 160.

Clearly not spreading as fast in Sweden = what happens which herd immunity kicks in.

Further - the folks in Sweden who do get Covid are ending up in Critical or Serious condition at rates far lower than other nations -

France 137,519 active cases - 410 in serious/critical condition
Sweden 72,958 active cases - 21 in serious /critical condition

= another sign of herd immunity.

 

Herd immunity is a biological fact, but the threshold at which it is reached is purely theoretical.

Many locations in many countries have achieved some sort of herd immunity, but nobody can put a number on it.

Apologists of the official narrative fool themselves into thinking it plays no role without a vaccine.

 

With all the discussion here, one thing is forgotten:

Sweden, which only has a little more than 10 million residents, has not carried out a nationwide investigation into whether someone has corona / is sick or has died from it. Also only a few tests at all were done .... and then it turned out last week that more than half of these comparable few tests which were done and where result negative said, were false and in reality positive!

Sooo .... How do you want to compare Sweden with anyone else please???

The fact is, however, that according to the Swedish government ... so official figures ... that in April and May 2020 (for the other following months I found no source) as many Swedes died in one month each as the last time during the Spanish flu in 1917!
And there must be a reason, isn't it?

 

Sweden's economy is not doing great. No better than their direct neighbors....

Why not compare the US with South Korea or New Zealand? Oh that's right. You're cherry picking factoids that have no real relationship.

Norway,Denmark, and Finland have the same geography and population make up, in the same geographical location.

THAT is the relevant comparison and by that comparison...Sweden fails miserably

 

That is a ridiculous statement that has no meaning whatsoever

If you have 1,000 people and 3 get infected...you have "some sort" of herd immunity.

So what are the actual numbers? Most health authorities put herd immunity at about 70%. How close is Sweden to that number?

Care to tell us?

Not....even....close

 

It seems that you don't know what herd immunity is!

 

Doubling down on your strawman/false accusation - I never claimed that Sweden has achieved herd immunity - and you have no clue whether or not they are getting close - or how close they are.

 

Again...France is not the relevant comparison

FAIL

"Clearly not spreading as fast in Sweden = what happens which herd immunity kicks in."

When do you expect that to happen?

20 years?

 

Do tell - rather than sitting in the peanut gallery spouting unsupported insults.

 

1) You failed to support your false claim that the death rate in Sweden is higher.
2) You failed to state why is France not a relevant Comparison - and which nations would then be a "relevant " comparison.

You are the big Fail here.

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200813/swedens-no-lockdown-policy-didnt-achieve-herd-immunity

They "achieved" 15% herd immunity in STOCKHOLM...

Far less in the nation as a whole


NOT EVEN CLOSE

 

Pretending not to see previous posts does not make your argument any stronger...it makes it weaker