dawkins' main failure

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  1. Questerr

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    Do you now see how dumb your post was that I was responding to?
     
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    Well, "nearly everything" is not "everything", and not even "everything" is "required".

    Criticism, Giantism, baptism, magnetism, dwarfism, hypnotism, sadism and so on.

    Besides, "An ideology is a collection of beliefs shared by a group of people." (wiki), how does that not include Christianity? (Don't get me wrong, this is not the main body of the argument, it might be possible to get around the last sentence, so focus on the argument that -ism doesn't require ideology).
     
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    So you say in the reality is only one truth existing while in the people are lots of truthes existing. How do you explain this difference between the reality all around us and the reality in us?

    http://youtu.be/GD5kCHM5VaQ
     
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    no comment

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    Reality =/= Truth.

    Truths are explanations of reality with varying degrees of accuracy, but reality itself is not a truth.
     
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    Why is reality not true?
     
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    Very well, then we can go back to where this discussion started back on page.... two? Wow.

    About the problem of evil.

    So as a Christian, do you believe that God is good? Omnibenevolent? Omniscient/Omnipotent? Otherwise?
     
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    True =/= truth.

    To say something is true just means that it is correct.

    Truth deals with individual interpretations of reality.
     
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    Hmm - you wan - bye bye

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_%C3%9Cber_Alles

    I have many different reasons for using the phrase, but I hope that the link somewhat clears up your confusion.

    Oh, and I disagree that one can only use the phrase in the sense of "USA" overall. People in the US are sovereign citizens of their states first. The 14th amendment created a class of citizenship which is subject to the whims of Congress, but it was citizens of the various states that created the Constitution and established the federal government, not the other way around. It is unfortunate that most people have forgotten this, but it would not be dissimilar to a German referring to himself as a citizen of the EU in another 200 years and being subject to the statutes of the EU.
     
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    Who created the creator god?
     
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    Then, I think, you'll have to define "anti-life", as, I understand, all living things die.

    Neither do I. Only in not knowing will you ever know.
     
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    I see "California über alles!" seems to be a kind of political joke. But unfortunatelly the most people in the world don't know something about the real history of Germany. After the reunion of Germany the text "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles" became even forbidden in Germany on completly crazy reasons. If someone is using this words today in public (for example in a song) then he gets problems as if he would be a member of a terroristic and/or nazistic organisation. But indeed lived since decades of thousands of years ancestors of Germans in the area this song described. And we had since decades of thousands of years problems in working together and not against each other. The situation is comparable as if someone would say "everyone who sings the words 'Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand' is a terrorist". Whatever: "Deutschland Deutschland über alles" never had anythgin to do with the Nazis except that the Nazis misused this words in wrong contextes as today this words are also used in wrong contextes. This words never meant that somene should dominate others - it always meant: work together! Or compared with the USA: Don't be a Calfornian only - be an American first. Work together! The world needs a strong and free USA.

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    Dawkins had no failure. He has tried to prove the obvious, which is impossible to people who refuse to accept real facts. He was never trying to give any alternate spirituality. He believed spirituality itself was flawed and had no real basis in objective proof.

    I think he is wrong, but I do not think he is a failure.
     
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    Life is not only a problem of mathematics.

    So perhaps this world here is evil.

    Perhaps I will find today the answer or tomorrow - perhaps never. Only in the moment I don't know. Not to know something what is important is not a virtue - it's a weakness.

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    Unfortunately, that day is coming closer to the truth. Standing up for liberty is now considered to be a possible sign of domestic terrorism. It scares the pants off our rulers, anyway.


    Given the nature of centralized government and the flow of power and wealth to the central government, I'd prefer to see the US government collapse under it's own weight and the US become a loose federation of nation-states. As I said, I am a citizen of California. No human being on earth is a citizen of the United States (with the exception of those, perhaps, residing in Washington D.C.) , but there are many who have US citizenship.
     
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    That's true, but perhaps you measure things as important that are not important. Or, at least, don't need to be important.
     
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    That's your decision. I was only a little confused about the wrong use of the words "über alles". I'm not abkle to combine this words with a local patriotism for California. By the way: I remember in the moment my sister who liked to hear on her burial "California dreaming". She liked to go with this song to her father - and she liked that everyone should be happy on her burial - and not sad. She died very young. I miss her.

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    It's not a problem for me if you don't believe in god.

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    Mahayana or Theravada?
     

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