Dealing with anti-trans bullying

I know you are trying to be helpful, but this makes no sense. What part of the discussion is this even referring to? That's not the source of Bluesguy's feigned confusion. They are pretending not to understand the singular they when the context of the sentence makes it obvious. "My niece (I'll call them Page) . . ." To whom does "they" refer? It is the easiest SAT question in existence.

 

I'm saying that this relative that you think is "trans", who considers themselves to be "trans", might not actually be trans.

That is a possibility you have to consider, before you just fully support this gung-ho without any reservations or questions.

 

The vast majority of trans people do not detransition. Page may be part of the 3% or so of those who do, and if so, I will respect that as well. That's no reason not to respect their wishes now.

 

Some of them don't detransition because they know it's too late to go back. They've altered their body in ways that would be too hard to reverse.

At that point they don't even feel it's worth admitting to themselves they made a big life mistake, because what good would it do even if they owned that? Wouldn't be an easy road back.

Maybe it would be safer for these people to just go "gender neutral".
Maybe even a half-dose of hormone suppressants to avoid becoming permanently too much like one gender, but not done in a way that's too irreversible. (example: avoiding the development of breasts, or avoiding too much masculine body development)

 

That's an interesting theory, but one without evidence. In fact the research shows that, of the small minority that do detransition, the majority do so because of lack of acceptance and support. As for my niece, there's nothing physically stopping them from going back.

For clarification, they were already on puberty blockers before coming out. The majority of people on puberty blockers are not trans.

 

The research.
You and I both know that "research" is probably subject to a great deal of social-political bias.

These days many academic papers wouldn't even publish studies that came up with results that they don't want to see.

 

Not really. People either detransition or they don't. I have seen WAY more political bias from the other side.

Take for example the study the right likes to use to claim that most trans people detransition. It is a lie. In that study, if a kid never identified as trans, but just wore clothes and acted in ways that are not typical for their gender, and their parents sent them to therapy for it and then the kid stopped showing up for therapy . . . that counted as a detransitioned trans person.

 

Is that a yes or a no?

 

If that's what you choose to believe

 

No such thing happened. Maybe try actually reading the post. Or did you mean the privilege of a random person blocking a kid from using any restroom until they reveal their birth gender? Yes, that privilege does not exist.

 

Clearly you did not read the article.

 

Hell, @Turtledude didn't even make it to the second paragraph, which explicitly contradicts his argument.

 

Singular "they" is even older than singular "you". Also many of the "rules" of English were just the attempt by a portion of linguists to force English to closer match Latin.

 

My cousin did the same. He wasn't a teacher, he was some kind of guidance counselor but his wife homeschooled their kids despite him working in the public school system.

This isn't really the red flag it appears to be.

 

And who has the right to tell them otherwise? Being trans does not necessarily include surgery. In NJ the surgery is available to anyone over 16 yet to date, no takers. So why should any of this be a problem for anyone let alone worthy of their intervention into the life of someone completely unknown to them?

 

The trans community has been approaching this all wrong.

If they want people, or at least the law, to respect their believing something that nobody else can see, they need only turn trans into a religion. That is literally what every deistic religion does, every day, while enjoying the protection of the law and even special exemptions.

Believing you feel differently mentally than your physical gender displays = mental illness apparently.
Believing there's a man in the sky who controls everything and knows everything and only wants the best for you = Protected religion.

The latter is far more fruit loops than the former, but we protect the latter and condemn the former, sometimes BECAUSE of the latter.

Dumb dumb dumb.

 

Oh you mean like sharing bathrooms with the opposite sex or insisting on your own set of pronouns?

 

Nothing like that happened in the story posted.

 

What a load of crap. What we want is to not be attacked physically for our faith. And by the way Muslims would simply execute his niece and be done with it. Thinking you were born in the wrong body in spite of all the evidence to the contrary whether that body is animal. vegetable. mineral, or the opposite sex is a mental illness. It is called gender dysphoria. The fact that up to 80% of those who express it early in life grow out of it before they hit puberty indicates as much.

 

Believing that you can change your sex is just as much magical thinking as believing in magic sky Daddy

 

Who is physically attacking you for being anti-trans. By the way, until it was defanged by the Enlightenment, Christianity was just as terrible toward LGBTQ people as Islam is. Hell, try being trans in Uganda today. See how that works out for you.

Also, no, 80% don't detransition. And, no, being trans is not the same thing as gender dysphoria.

 

What is it now? 4 of the last five mass shooters identified as trans and one of them killed six kids at a Christian day school. Europe outside of England disagrees with you. Now if you'd said drag queens were not the same as Trans I'd agree.

 

I can think of far more conservative terrorists. And you are still wrong about gender dysphoria and trans being the same thing. 4 . . . globally? Really? That's a pathetic excuse for what you are pushing here.

 

No you can't. And half the ones the list claims were conservative aren't. Gabby Giffords for instance was shot by a far left kook for not being far left enough. The Las Vegas shooter is frequently referred to a as a conservative but almost no one seems to know anything about him including his political affiliations. Or at least if they do they aren't talking. The nut bag the shot all the Mexicans at the Walmart is claimed to be a racist conservative but in fact was a looneytoon environmentalist wacko

 

I totally disagree with this. Just because somebody doesn't adhere to culturally prescribed expectations does not make them mentally ill. People are assigned the label 'male' or 'female' when they are born (or during an ultrasound) depending on whether they have a penis or a vagina. Just because a person with a penis wishes to have the gender identity of female does not make them mentally ill. Treat a person as a whole being, not just a set of genitals. Being transgender is not an illness, it's the way that society treats trans people that makes them sick.