Dealing with Treason and Traitors

Indeed, it was under this derision which led me to accuse this readership of being the actual traitors in that most
enlightening former post, and to which I expected a response from at least someone, who either got mad at me or
themselves for seeing the truth that hurts, but alas, there was none..... none.

I find this astonishing, and yet, maybe it fits in well with ignoring our reality, and this would explain a lot yeah?

"Let's talk about something else, what congo is saying is just too hard to think about....."

 

I can't find the exact quote so i'll paraprase Adam Smith:
"The national interest is defined by the principal architects of policy", and by that he meant the business sector.

For some background: http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm

 

Define "suffering and harm" the way you see it in relation to the future of the country. Put yourself in the future when this diabolical plot has eventuated. Describe it. If everyone is brainwashed, it can't be much different from the present? People only really need to accept what is, to be content with life.

 

Context loop, try it.

 

Well I'm not surprsed that's all you can remember NOW, because it is so embedded into the economy of the country. It was very clearly explained tot he public and the electorate was given warning of its implemenation PRIOR to the then forthcoming Federal election.

This Federal Labor, because it is no more than a lapdog of the Greens, was too timid (scared of the slimy Greens perhaps?) to issue the necessary details prior to the Federal election

 

Err, it wasn't their policy prior to the election. Your bit about the Greens is irrelevant and you know it. You know why it is as it is and wasn't before.

In the end, very similar amounts of information were/are available. Sure, you didn't get a chance to vote for it. Tell me: did you vote Labor? If you did, you voted for a carbon price. What matter it's form? I'd much rather a direct tax than a banking 'get rich for doing nothing' ETS.

Of course, Labor could spend a lot more $ advertising their tax, but that wouldn't be acceptable either. It's not as if they can rely on The Australian for balanced coverage on it. Oh how they adored an ETS, oh how they despise a carbon tax. I wonder why (that is rhetorical).

While i won't go so far as to say Howard would have lost the 'GST election' had tampa not happened, it certainly garnered him a lot of extra votes that polling had them missing for quite a while. To argue that anyone wins or loses government on a single issue is, imo, deception.

 

'You declare 'Err, it wasn't their policy prior to the election'. I presume here you are discussing the fact that the Labor Party did not advise the electorate it would introduce a Carbon Tax upon its election. But there is more than that bald declaration, because 'Our Julia denied that such a tax would be introduced if her party was elected.

If the Labor Party had the same guts as the Liberal Party, (which advised the electorate it would introduce the GST before the general Federal election), and advised the electorate it would introduce a CarbonTax before the last Federal election, it would have some degree of legitimacy. It was just too timid and, as a consequence, is now at the beck and call of the minor parties. It is too pathetic to behold.

 

You need only look at the well documented past to see the future.
Tyranny is not acceptance and contentedness, it is HORROR. Our freedoms and
privaledges were earned in blood and guts and gore and the struggle of
centuries of enduring evil. We are not that far removed from that horror, a
generation or two, how quickly we forget.

Oh haha, it won't be so bad......

Don't be naive or hoodwinked into contentedness, because this is exactly
how you'll lose it.

The Romans had sword, spear and shield, what weapons does tyranny now have at it's disposal?
Think about it.

 

So, Gwendoline, are you are suggesting I watch the news on TV instead?

But then I'd end up like ...... you?

I prefer to think for myself thanks, and no, I haven't read the Australian
since I left the "Market", which was all I found it useful for anyway.

I see it unfolding, what can't you? It's there, plain as the nose on your face,
and yet you see no threat? You view the power shift from people to government
with benevolence? You think the latest 'I phone' will insulate you from the same
evil that's ruled the ages? You think 100 years of Western civilisation will stand
against it while we sloth and slumber in comfort with wine, watching the football ?

I walk among you all, I see you busy at your daily routines, like it's all normal, just
another day, everything is fine while they screw us by increments...... and the
constant media washing ...... the social engineering is pervasive, and you can't see it?

Throw me a bone people, it's scary out there on the streets right now with so many
zombies on the loose...... help anyone ?

 

Oh, Sorry Gwendoline, silly me, I was on the defensive a little there huh?

The cartoon you posted, I 'get it' now, "The Australian" can see the problem too,
so I'm not alone then......

Gee I'm thick at times

 

Nice for you to respond to about 1/4 of what i wrote. As i pointed out, and you haven't addressed, Labor did advise they would introduce a carbon price.

So, would you have preferred an ETS?

 

How is that meaningless post relevant in any way? It doesn't even pertain to our country who's 'freedoms' were not earned in 'blood and guts and gore'.

 

So we owe our freedom to good luck, or perhaps a few happy chaps sat down and signed a bit of paper, "Let Freedom Reign" ?

I thought it was relevent with my continued OP theme, have you read the last few of my posts before your quote, you were meant to find relevance...

... or do you think this thread is about climate change measures like so many
posts herein seem to indicate ?

You quoted me arguing against that we should find happiness in accepting our circumstances, however horrible they may be.
I was merely trying to point out that those circumstances might be too terrible to be content with, particularly when
there could be a better way to exist by actually doing something about it and changing things in the first place instead lying with
our heads on the chopping block waiting for the slaughter.... is that any clearer ?

 

Prior to that, I was attempting to waken thought among the audience in
relation to your plight of not being represented by your elected officials,
who do not have your interests at stake in their official capacity.
Rather than claiming corruption, I rebadged it as a form of treason, because corruption is so
endemic to our system, that it is taken for granted as normality and apparently not recognised
anymore.

Taken as a whole, this system is treasonous to the voters because the mandate they create
is used against them, and this was not the intent of the mandate.

It is your fault as voters by empowering the lie with your ballot paper.

Am I repeating myself unduly, or are you kinda getting the gist of the thread yet?

 

1. We have a compulsory voting system. You are offered a pair of personalities
to choose from, (?), and you will choose one and we will continue to go down
the gurgler with the rest of the planet. Look around.

2. Perhaps you choose not to vote for candidates you perceive as your enemy...
... if you resist the subsequent prosecution, you'll be subdued and taken away
to prison, if the tasering doesn't kill you first, but then, you did resist, so.....
you probably got what you deserve, right ?
Even if the tasering doesn't kill you, there should be laws that give you at
least five years prison, maybe more, if you try to defend yourself on principle,
(I saw that brilliant plan on TV Gwendoline- or was it the Australian?).

3. You could vote for someone who at least wasn't tying to
- harm/enslave/indebt/etc - you and the rest of the world.....
...which candidate is this?

We get down to preferences then in any minor swing away from the current norm,
how will this serve you?

 

I am sorry to indulge in self quote here, but let me also clarify my use of
the word "mandate" in the sense that I understand it, because there are
apparently two distinctly different meanings to the word, depending on which
side of politics you are on, the inside, or just a mere voter.

The elected representative seems to use it flamboyantly and oft in jest,
but I don't think it's funny, not at all.

A mandate is, in essence, the wishes of the people.

Be careful who you charge with this responsibility, or suffer the consequences.

Your thoughts are appreciated, I'm plum outta answers and I still don't understand
politics much, ->noob alert

 

What I do understand is that while this is still a free country, I do still have
the power of free speech, though I am acutely aware of the limitations I have
as an individual to do this effectively, within my means.

It would be negligent on my part if I did not speak of such things to any audience,
when clearly there is not enough discussion on such an important topic.

I'm not mad at the pollies, or anyone else, but I have to live here, and more
importantly, so do my progeny. It is out of fear for us all that motivates my
writing in this forum. I think it's important enough to talk about.
I've got enough to do in my life already, but I couldn't live with myself if I
didn't try to help you understand what you have been blinded to see.

We are so fragile now.

Please do not commit treason at the polls next election.

Thanks for reading.

 

I repeat, the Labor Party was extremely duplicitous about the introduction of a Carbon Tax prior to the last Federal election, in stark contrast to the Libs prior which loudly and clearly announced the introduction of the GST before the Federal election. The difference in approach by the two major political parties to the introduction of these two major pieces of Federal legislation, demonstrates loudly and clearly the timidity and decptive nature of the present Federal Government. It was so timid and inept it was forced to hide behind the skirts of the slimy Greens.

 

Cartoon Interlude:

 

Typical Leunig indescribable,idiotioc crap!

'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.'

 

You totally ignored the rest of my post (again). Just answer the question posed. What are you? A politician?

They said they would introduce a carbon price. Would you have preferred an ETS? 'by the finance sector, for the finance sector'

 

I did/do not see any relevance. However, your subsequent posts start to make the link much clearer.

clearer, but way too dramatic. I think it lacks perspective.

 

That's okay, perhaps Leunig would find your posts indescribable, idiotic crap, too.

That's the beauty of having our differences...

We can each of us think that the other produces crap.

 

I am neutral here. I have claimed neither threat nor lack of threat. So stop with the melodrama.

What exactly are you advocating? I hear you railing against this and that and the other thing. But where exactly are your POSITIVE ideas / ideals / views for any way forward?

Sloth and slumber in comfort with wine? You know you're bordering on sounding like a poet now.

I walk among others, myself. But unlike you, I'm not projecting on them. You keep claiming others don't see what you see. Well, perhaps it's just because others don't see what you see. That makes sense. And if others see different things, then just appreciate seeing things your way and leave others to the things that they see. Win /win.

If you see zombies, I can appreciate why you're scared. Me, I look out and see people, not zombies.