Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A case in point is senile Joe, he just goes along with
    whatever wars the MIC wants.

    Another weak president was G W Bush ('frat boy')
    who in his first term was pretty much just walked
    all over by the Neocons.

    And way back after JFK who knew what he was
    doing was replaced by LBJ who really didn't know,
    hey, presto, a big war in Vietnam.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what wars has Biden started?
     
  3. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the ones that weren't going on when he became president but are going on now
     
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    Presidents dont start wars. But weak ones are more likely to let corrupt elements in their regime get away with provacateuring them.
     
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    Well, not to be a defender of Biden, but the reality is the god awful hornets nest in the Middle East right now is because his former employer and that boss's Secretary of State royally screwed up thinking not only were they smart enough to deliver the forces of western democracy to the region, but they were going to do it in Syria of all places.
     
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    what ones are those that Biden Started?
     
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    weak Presidents negotiate our surrender with terrorists like the Taliban
     
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    "Weak" leaders don't start wars, they desperately seek to avoid them (though that sometimes leads to them anyway). "Strong" but unpopular leaders start wars because they traditionally generated domestic political support (though in the modern information era, that is much less reliable).
     
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    So any conflict that happens is the U.S. President's fault who happens to be in office at the time? A known dictator like Putin decides to invade his neighbor for his own gain but that's the United States fault? I suppose the first Gulf War was our fault too, right? We made Saddam invade Kuwait just so we could get a bunch of our buddies together and go over and kick him back out again. Or does this only apply when it's a Democrat in office?

    I'll give you the 2nd Iraqi invasion as an unnecessary war that we started.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And when does Roosevelt get taken to task for starting World War 2? :cool:
     
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    Do you realize we almost lost WW2, had not US intelligence led the Germans to follow a dead end in their quest for a nuclear weapon to use on the US.
    We were in the war to save ourselves and we won because we were lucky.
     
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  12. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure boss's Secretary of State made a completely accidental mistake,
    her 'library' foundation now has 500 million dollars.
     
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    She also started the immigration wave from central america. She was every bit as bad as Kissinger. Kissinger just didn't hide the fact that he was a soulless SOB.
     
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    No, weak presidents don't take responsibility for anything.
    They demean our allies.
    And tear the country apart when there's a national or world crisis.
     
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    I wouldn't say that weak presidents start wars. As far as current events, as an example, in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, Russia was specifically baited into that quagmire to stagnate Russian progress and keep them busy in Ukraine and not advancing their interests in other areas. It was a devious action that took advantage of a seemingly weak president to trick Russia into action.

    The Israeli-Hamas war is something else. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Russia, through its backdoor diplomacy with Iran and its proxy militia groups, started this latest conflict to bait the USA and get them into a similar quagmire with Israel so that the USA couldn't take the high ground with international propaganda, with which they were previously winning.

    It's all a game as nations posture and trick each other into stagnating their progress. Holding each other back.
     
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    Start by defining a “weak” president, because weak can mean any number of things in any context.
     
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    indirectly you know what kind of predictable and weak ass response you will get so it will make you more inclined to commit acts of aggression.

    In the case of Ukraine, Biden is easily more predictable from 50 years of political history whereas Trump is a loud braggart who had only 4 years of political history.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With a sufficiently big bribe early enough, maybe Biden could have been made predictable
    and favorable.

    Maybe. But he was involved in removing the Russia friendly government of Ukraine and turning
    Ukraine into an enemy of Russia, so maybe not.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wasn't sure what a 'weak President' was, but I've heard the term used a number of times,
    so I hoped to get a better idea of what it meant from having a number of examples.

    Now I see strong leadership, could mean able to make an apparently strong case
    for a particular line of action, but I can see it could mean having many allies in Congress
    or media or whatever locus of power is needed.

    Or in the case of Pres. Putin of being a very good strategic player and understanding
    how to assemble a logical argument.

    It now looks like a tautology, that 'strong' is whatever it takes to gain a lot of
    political power, so every major political leader is by definition 'strong'.
     
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    Um.....Biden hasn't started any wars, and JFK didn't start Vietnam. He died in 1963, and US Maddox incident happened in 1964, which is when US got seriously involved.

    Weak presidents encourage our enemies to attack our allies

    LOL. That's like saying Roosevelt started WW2.
     
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    Did JFK know what he was doing as to Vietnam? He increased Trump strength in Vietnam from 800 at the end of Eisenhower to 16,700 at the end of 1963. IKE had told JFK that Laos was the key to Southeast Asia. Yet JFK ignored Laos in favor of Vietnam. The reason, Vietnam was more easily supplied, supplied by sea whereas Laos would have to be resupplied overland. IKE had kept us out of Vietnam twice. But he also authorized White Star teams for Laos. For IKE, Vietnam was more of a civil war, where as Laos was an invasion by North Vietnam.


    LBJ followed JFK into Vietnam with the same personnel JFK had. So as to Vietnam, did JFK know what he was doing? That’s debatable. I would consider IKE, JFK and LBJ as strong presidents. Nixon also. Ford no and Carter not so much. Reagan yes, Bush I yes, Bill Clinton, not really. Bush 2, I think he was a strong president, Obama, again not so much. Trump, no, Biden no. But who was strong and who was a weak president is up to each individual’s opinion?
     
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    Oh, I have no doubt that Biden getting re-elected and Putin seeing Biden as an extension of the Obama Biden policies with regards to Ukraine. Absolutely played into his paranoia about the United States implanting or taking over a puppet government within Ukraine.

    Remember, they made a point of leaking that phone call during the maidan revolution in Ukraine that was under the Obama Biden government.

    But this has nothing to do with a president being weaker strong. And if a weak president will more likely spur expansionist nations to war and take advantage. That's just a byproduct of having voted in the wrong guy in 2020 for so many reasons
     
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    No. To be honest, every time I ask a Trumpist what Biden did wrong, they flip flop from second to second about whether they thought Biden was too tough or too soft on Russia.
     
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    If Biden wanted to help Ukraine you either go all in or you don't do **** all like Georgia and Crimea.

    The sanction crap is useless, especially now. And the aid they gave Ukraine was garbage and only enough to bleed Russia. Not force Russia to retreat.
     
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    And failed so badly he was voted out as incumbent.
    A leader who never took responsibility.

    The weakest of all leaders never takes responsibility.
     

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