Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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  1. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    Only Congress has power to declare war. Please name those that Congress declared under Biden.
     
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    You know, that's about legal immigration. Which this country needs to prosper.
     
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    it's about an "un relenting wave of immigration, non stop non stop!" legal? illegal? asylum seekers? doesn't apply. Those terms are arbitrary.

    Once you spout this **** to the world, you get this ****;
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    But anyways, this is neither here nor there. I want you to also NOT be surprised that went Trump gets in office...the numbers at the border will tank hard. Why? Because he runs on a policy to be more strict on border security and clamp down on those who are here illegally.

    The flow will turn into a trickle and it's gonna not be a mystery to those of us in the know.

    Just get ready to spam your "Trump is a racist" card for the next 4 years while I get to finally enjoy some ****ing sanity at the southern border. And it won't take a special Ukraine spending bill to get done, either.
     
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    Didn't some guy from England already catch that one?
     
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    Go to Eastern Ukraine and tell me what's going on there isn't a war

    and that it is coincidence that the Democrats got a majority in Jan 2021,
    sent a big shipment of weapons over to Ukraine in 2021,
    Kyiv shelling of Donetsk increased about Feb 16 2022 after the 'aid'
    had finally reached the front and was put into use,
    and Russia responded on Feb 24 of 2022.

    and that it isn't the fault of the Biden Administration, but
    just a coincidence that could as easily have happened to Trump.
     
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    But it didn't.
     
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    Your post is entitled 'do weak president start wars' and the first name you throw out is Biden. If you know about US government, only Congress has the power to declare war. Are you saying the US Congress started the war against Russia, comrade?
     
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    No, Biden did, but the earlier stage of the war before the US sent over lots money and weapons,
    the low level conflict from October 2014 to Feb 2022 was started by Victoria Nuland with the
    approval of Hillary Clinton and Vice President Biden.

    If you want to know something about it then watch the Film 'Ukraine on Fire' by Oliver Stone.

    The documentary film came out in 2016.
     
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    Biden being weak and predictable will incentivize countries like Russia to take advantage of those qualities and thus aggress on it's neighbors.

    I guarantee you Putin assessed the likely reaction of Biden's America and came to the conclusion that at worst it will be another round of sanctions. Woop a dee doo! But if it were Trump? All bets are off. And if you think that doesn't matter? That you don't know how the Leader in charge of the world's most powerful military is going to react? You are out of your mind and not being realistic. At all.
     
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    "Declaring" war is just a paperwork exercise. War is reality. I once held a young Soldier in Iraq as she lay dying from the shrapnel of an IED. Would you be willing to tell her parents that she didn't die in a war? Wars have lots of destruction, death, maiming and other horrors. They are wars no matter what documentation exists or doesn't exist.

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines war as: "armed fighting between two or more countries or groups"
    (armed fighting between two or more countries or groups)

    When you are being shot at in a faraway country and people are dying around you, you are calling in fire support and your heart is racing... you are at war. The paperwork is only a civilian exercise to keep lawyers employed.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has webbed feet... its a duck.

    Gees... innocent, bubble wrapped civilians do vex me.
     
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    Only Congress can declare war but presidents can fight them and that is the course we have chosen to take since the end of WW2. Presidents can stop fighting them too, just slip out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan
     
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    OK, Biden ordered Russian troops to cross into Ukrainian territory to attack. And I'll skip on the movie written by a Russian propagandist, thanks!
     
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    So your entire argument is speculation and opinion. Trump would likely be doing the exact same thing Biden is doing. You just don't like it because he has a (D) next to his name. Only other options would be US boots on the ground or giving it up to Russia, both are terrible alternatives.
     
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    No that's only part of what triggered that war that I can blame on Trump. But yes. Absolutely. 50 years of political prediction on how Biden would likely react in response to Russian aggression matters. And news flash. It was likely predicted to be Obama style sanctions or no reaction at all. Like Georgia and Crimea.

    So yes. Weak presidents do cause more global conflict by virtue of being weak.

    Next question.
     
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    Yes, I thought Republican Bush's response to Georgia was weak. I thought Democratic Obama's response to Crimea was weak too. After Ukraine, Biden and rest of nations finally stood up to Russia, even with undemocratic US Republicans denying them help and defending Russia. And as I said, if Trump wouldn't be doing the same thing as Biden, he'd either put boots on ground or give Ukraine to Russia, making him corrupt. I'll take a perceived weak president over a corrupt president any day.
     
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    Biden by virtue of being the VP to the weak response and having 50 years of political experience is what helped sell Putin on invading Ukraine.

    Trump only had 4 and has a brash, egotistical personality. You don't risk invading Ukraine with that person at the helm.

    So ya. You can say your proud of Biden's actions since the invasion. (I'm not) He's dicked around and been indecisive on his aid and as such Ukraine isn't going to be pushing Russia out anytime soon. And as of right now, we need to be negotiating an end to that war. It's over. Russia is dug in and not going anywhere. The aid came too little too late.
     
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    You could also conclude that because of Biden's more predictable resume having helped convince Putin now was a good time to make a move on Ukraine, all the negative worldly consequences of this war are also downstream of electing Biden.

    The economy
    The division
    BRICS
    Trade

    All of it. All because you thought you were virtuous by electing Biden over that media proclaimed racist/bigot/sexist/xenophobic warmonger who's going to start WW3.
     
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    Weak. Weak. Weak.

    The weakest talk ever.
    He ran on a policy of a border wall. And MEXICO was going to pay for it.

    You know, he didn't build any wall? And Mexico didn't contribute a PESO?
     
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    His numbers were infinitely better than Biden's. His messaging was better than Biden's. And it upset AOC so much, she had to do a "cry photoshoot"

    There was no migrant crisis in New York and Washington under Trump. And Texas didn't feel like they had to take matters into their own hands because Trump was incompetent with his handling of border security sooo.

    Ya.

    You are just in denial.
     
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    Trump would not have run away so fast and so cowardly from Afghanistan that he left billions of dollars of warfighting material to the terrorist Taliban.
    Trump would ever have allowed the Chines to violate our airspace with impunity like Biden did.
    No one is proposing any US boots on the ground anywhere.
    I'm still trying to identify what is so important about Ukraine that we are willing to spend so much protecting it.
     
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    are you in denial?
    You must be, now you have to deflect to AOC.
     
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    AOC crying for a photoshoot at a fence is a reaction to Trump policies which helped to keep numbers low.
     
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    Biden called a warmonger if giving too many weapons and weak for not doing enough. Nothing will ever please you Russian apologists.
     
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    Trump was the one who capitulated to Taliban and signed a peace deal with them. China was violating our airspace under Trump and he didn't even know about them, posing an even greater risk.
     
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    I've been in full support of Ukrainian aid. But either you are in or you are not in. This half assed approach has ust resulted in land and lives lost.

    The war is now at a stalemate. We need to accept this. The only thing that's gonna happen in the following year is Ukrainian and Russia lives lost while the map hardly moves.
     

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