Do you agree with race realism?

It's like one of the top medicines in chinese herbal remedies. No one had any trouble with Cannabis until Hearst found out hemp paper was cheaper than wood pulp newsprint. Almost overnight Cannabis was demonized into marijuana

45 years of use and I feel great!

 

You mean the one from which you removed the relevant data on black and half-black kids adopted into white families? That table?

It is definitely lower on average, as long as the non-white parents are also non-East Asian. That is long-established fact. What's your point?

Yes, the children of two white biological parents are slightly above the mean even when their biological parents are dysfunctional enough to have their children adopted out. The adoptive families were all white, and averaged more than one sigma above the mean in IQ, which had a strong effect on the adopted kids' IQ at age 7, but little or none by age 17. And your point would be....?

Oh, wait a minute, that's right: you have no point. You are just struggling to contrive some way of not knowing the facts. And here, again, are the data you so disingenuously decided to snip because it proves you wrong:

Adopted, one white, one black biological parent -- 105.4 --- 93.2
Adopted, two black biological parents ----------------- 91.4 --- 83.7

Those are the scores, at ages 7 and 17, of the black and half-black kids adopted into white families. The relationship between their race and their IQ could hardly be less ambiguous.

Ah, OK, so you DO understand that the data show a strong link between biological parents' race and their adopted-out children's IQ, but you nevertheless believe, with no empirical evidence of any kind, that a larger sample would not show that relationship. That is not science. It is ideology.

Yet somehow, you could not see the glaring, almost comically unambiguous relationship between biological parents' race and their adopted-out children's IQ. Here it is again:

Adopted, one white, one black biological parent -- 105.4 --- 93.2
Adopted, two black biological parents ----------------- 91.4 --- 83.7

Transracial adoption is not that common, and getting such families to participate in a study of this type over 10 years could not have been easy. Where is your evidence that a larger sample size would not show this relationship, especially given the fact that it matches many previous results?

Oh, wait a minute, that's right: you don't have any.

But only the ones with at least one black biological parent? And has the trauma somehow been twice as damaging to their cognitive development when both biological parents were black? That is not science. It is ideology.

 

And then there is just science - studying things for the sake of knowledge itself, without any nefarious racism attached. It cannot be denied that differences in genotype influence differences in phenotype for a multitude of characteristics.

Scientific racism is not science, as you mentioned. And even though at least one person in this thread has made claims along the lines of scientific racism, I do not believe that "bringiton" is arguing from that position.

So, is it even possible to scientifically study/research/discuss the genetics of human intelligence without automatically being deemed racist?

 

That is not a pseudoscientific belief. It is an indisputable fact. The evidence may be open to interpretation -- though it is not open to very much, and less and less as better and better research is done -- but that the evidence exists is indisputable.

So your source is just indisputably lying.

Yes, of course it was denounced. It just wasn't refuted.

See the difference?

Empirical evidence for such claims? None, of course.

As we have seen in this thread -- because I have posted it -- the available empirical evidence shows a glaringly clear genetic connection between race and intelligence. It is the contrary view that lacks any empirical basis.

You are so far out of your depth it's not funny.

 

This happens every generation, people unfamiliar with the sciences get sucked in by crap like that.

 

Of course.

 

Let me know if you ever have a factual or logical argument to offer.

 

IQ tests, if they are scoring low on IQ tests that should bar them from college and employment.

standardized tests, anything that measures their intelligence and ability to perform the task at hand. many doctors for example learned their practise on a dirt floor, and now are responsible for saving American lives.

many other vital private and public sectors are able to skirt personal responsibility without these two basic universal requirements.

 

White privilege is not a real thing except for those rare individuals born with a silver spoon, and some of those are black:

 

Class is the bigger issue.

But diluting other people into the pool of who suffered the most is anathema to some people.

 

IS THERE ANY END TO INSTITUTIONAL RACISM? ASU publishes ‘black male privilege checklist.’

I don’t need some unaccomplished administrative twit lecturing me on my privilege, and neither do black males or, well, any of us anywhere.

 

No there will never be an end to the perception of institutional racism as long as that perception pays.
Why have other non whites just as much or more put upon moved past this but not African Americans? At some point one has to stop blaming and work hard especially when so many special privileges have been awarded.

 

There is something terrible that happens to Black Women in America. Their infant mortality rates are triple the balance of American women. Most of us assume our babies will grow into teenage-hood, and for the most part they do, but for Black Women, a completely different and much more painful experience.

I tried to understand this, and looked for infant mortality rates in Africa, to see if this was just Black Experience, and not a American Black experience. I couldn't find anything, but, while hunting for that, found that European Black Women have the same low infant mortality rates of the balance of Europe, and Caribbean Black Women the same low rates, but if either European or Caribbean Black women move to the United States, their daughters will have the same terrible experience with infant mortality that American Black Women have.

I ended up on the CDC website reading through papers where they were wrestling with this. No one knows the answer, and of course there is a tendency for everyone to plug in their favorite cause, but one that is certainly getting play is that there is a "weathering" and weakening effect on Black Americans due to the stress of being black and living in America, that only they truly understand.

Whatever the solution is, if it is assisted by my voluntarily surrendering some of my rights to improve their ability to grasp theirs, I'm fine with that. But, the presumption of guilt thing by self-righteous Leftists is just more of their endless parade of posturing that we all find disgusting.

I think we should re-elect Trump and turn him loose on a failed Black City and let him show us what he sees as the transformation of a failure into a world class example of how Americans can improve the lives of others when we put our minds and resources to the task. Top schools, top infrastructure, best of class in everything, and see if that lifts them out of the terrible experience they are having in the midst of the rest of us having a very good experience.

That I'm all in on. That, I think is worth tackling.

 

Black men acknowledge the high rates of domestic abuse in their communities but ask black women to put off questioning this too much as this is legacy white man creation. Corporal punishment is now only defended in the black community. How much abuse will the non African American community be allowed to say is acceptable?

 

I don't agree. They may have dispositions to certain diseases, but mental decisions and choices are unique to the individual in the human race.

 

No they won't, because the sort who'd buy in that manner also hate cooking from scratch. It's a self-levelling product

 

A lot of teenagers lack the intelligence to earn a meaningful high school degree. There is no nice way to deal with that fact.

 

Stephen Jay Gould never won the Nobel Prize in anything. He claimed to revere Charles Darwin, but he ignored the Darwinian implications of sociobiology, hereditarianism, and race realism. He used Darwinian evolution as a stick to beat Protestant Fundamentalists, because he disliked them. He allowed his strong commitment to the civil rights movement to prevent him from acknowledging average racial differences in intelligence and behavior that are obvious to anyone who has taught in multi racial public schools.

 

Until there was the movable type printing press (1456) few people of any race could read. Hand-copied books were out of reach for most people, because they were extravagantly expensive. When you couldn't even afford a book why bother learning to read or paying for someone to teach you? The printing press spread from Mainz to all of Europe fairly quickly. Certainly its product was largely confined to white people and continually becoming more affordable. The book was not all that enticing for peoples who handed down their culture and their history by oral tradition, e.g., the American Indians.

In 564 years the widespread use of written language hasn't been around long enough to have any evolutionary effect. However the homes with books in them, wherein books are revered and read to the children by their parents -- such children will have an advantage in a written language society. imo nurture is a far bigger factor than nature. So generally the black or white child born in Cambridge, MA, will probably have a huge advantage over the white child born in Appalachia or the black child born into a fatherless home.

Written language has much in common with semiconductor based devices: Those who will not embrace both and put forth some effort at mastering them will be at a distinct disadvantage.

 

Intelligence isn't relevant (if the kid is in the 80% who are 'average'). Successful completion of high school to a high standard, is a function of effort and self-discipline, not brains.

 

these people have no shame, they will find a way to profit off taxpayers.

 

Kids aren't stupid.

They may not be articulate, but the ones that are being screwed know that better than you do.

Republicans are doing what criminals always do, blame the victim.

 

There is too much data missing.
It strikes me that if the proportionate size of the neocortex to the aggregate brain makes the difference between chimps’ (our closest relative genetically) and homo sapiens’ intelligence then it would also make such a significant difference between different demographic groups within Homo Sapiens. I don’t believe any peer reviewed anthropologic or neuropsychological papers have been submitted in this area.

 

Sorry, but you just don't understand how evolution works. The genes that predispose an individual to make different kinds of mental decisions and choices are passed on to the next generation or not, depending on the effect those decision and choices have on the individual's survival and reproductive success. In different environments, selection pressure favors different kinds of mental decisions and choices. That is the scientific basis of race realism.

Human evolution is a statistical work in progress with many competing factors and lots of noise, but it is relentless, and it has produced a massive increase in our brain size in a remarkably short period of time by evolutionary standards. Nothing like it is seen anywhere else in the fossil record. The brain basically doesn't do anything but obtain information from the environment (which much smaller animal brains appear to do just as well as ours), make decisions and choices, and implement those decisions and choices by activating muscles (which much smaller animal brains also appear to do just as well as ours). So the reason our big brains evolved comes down to their ability to make better decisions and choices. Each individual human being simply represents evolution's latest dice roll. They cannot choose to come up lucky seven or snake-eyes. That ship sailed at their conception, and they are largely just along for the ride, to see where -- or if -- it makes port. Some people find such politically incorrect genetic determinism intolerable, but facts of biology are unmoved by their emotions. Personally, I find it awe-inspiring that my mental decisions and choices represent the successful efforts of billions of generations of my ancestors in the inconceivably prolonged and arduous contest for existence.