Do you consider building codes to be a violation of property rights?

I suppose technically for your own private property. If someone wants to live in a ply board shack with no basement in Kansas that is their perogative. If however it is a building that is public or intended for public use then it isn't a violation since having roof tiles fall on your head or being burned alive in a buidling because of crappy wiring would could possible be construed as infringing on another person's right to life.

 

I don't consider them a violation of property rights IF instituted and supported by the LOCAL COMMUNITY. Building codes ensure safety as some here have already said. In addition they ensure at least some kind of conformity which enhances and supports overall property values.

HOWEVER......Property rights will be violated if we let 'Agenda 21' slither its way into our local planning boards.

There is a takeover movement toward 'sustainable' development which groups of well paid environmentalists have been successful in inserting into building codes. These new regulations are purposefully vague allowing 'on the fly' interpretation which has a negative impact on development and is wielded by a few non-elected so-called environmental 'professionals' and is a U.N. (not U.S.) based plan. Agenda 21 is another name for it.

http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=558

The U.N. 'Agenda 21'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

 

electrical code...a year or two back in the neighbourhood next to mine an electrical issue in one home started a fire that spread and burned downed four other homes as well...

 

the builders life maybe but if there are kids living in the shack then the "state" has an obligation to protect them from the home's owner/builder...then there is the possibility of fire or collapse, rescue personnel will be expected to go into an unsafe structure to save the inept builder...

and I if build a 500K to 1mill home I don't want someone building a plywood shack on the empty lot next to me and destroying my property value...

 

Having to pay annual property taxes is the violation of property rights. Everything else is just the governments protecting their property.

 

Yeah, and I wouldn't want to be your neighbor, if you felt that putting an outdoor Johnny in your front yard, close to my property, or anywhere on your property was your right, for that matter!

 

property taxes pay for infrastructure you use every day, roads, road repair, bridges, sewer, water. fire protection, police...

 

I am aware of how the funds are used. It does not change the fact you really do not own your real estate. You rent it from the government. As soon as you can not afford your rent they will "sell" it to someone else and allow them to make the annual rent payment. That violates property rights in my opinion as you really do not own your own land. Sales taxes are a much fairer form of taxation and do not steal from the poor and the elderly.

 

building codes are very necessary for the safety of everyone around said buildings. without them buildings wouldnt be anywhere near the quality they are now.

 

It's amazing that they (conservatives) don't seem to realize that. They think they are so smart and can't figure out how their tax money is used. We also pay for education, something younger generations will reap the benefits from.

 

What in heavens are you talking about. I own my real estate, and when I die, I will pass it on to my kids. If they want to sell it, they will get money for it, not the government.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Property taxes do not even go to the Feds, it's for your own state, to take care of the needs in your state. You really need to read up on it.

 

Where did I claim it went to the Feds? I also have real estate that "belongs" to me. It will cost me over $40,000 to keep it mine for the next decade. That is basically renting it from the government. What happens when you can not pay your property tax? Or you kids forget after you have passed? It returns to the actually owner that has been renting it to you. I understand property taxes just fine. It is the most oppressive form of taxation in my opinion. Sales tax and even income tax are less abusive.

 

You shouldn't have any property that you cannot pay taxes on. That is part of the ownership, as the "government" will be taking care of the roads, police protection and fire protection for you to keep your land.

How the hell does anyone "forget" to pay taxes? They remind you, to be sure. When my dad passed, my brother, sister and myself inherited his property. We were able to make a nice profit, even after we paid the taxes on it.

Most of the time it returns to the previous land owner, if he can pay the taxes. Usually it is the "bank" that takes it back. They gladly pay the taxes and continue to make money on the house or property, not the government. Provide a link to prove that the government takes it back, or just admit you don't know what you are talking about.

What you are saying is that you want everyone else to pay for the roads, fire and police protection among other things the government provides you with. Move to Somalia.

 

Situations change people get sick, lose jobs, and have spouses die. Why should only property owners be responsible for maintaining public services? I understand there must be taxation a consumption tax is a better option.

I have had many friends from my youth that inherited land from their parents. Most lost the property being unable to pay their annual dues. One in particular had moved out of state by the time she became aware she had been in default several years. She lost her parents home. Was she ignorant yes did deserve to lose her birthright not in my opinion. The friends in question were mainly poor 1st generation Americans that did not understand their responsibility. One was white with a bad drug habit he deserved losing it a little more. Still does not make it fair.

The bank may buy it back from the civil authority at auction. Only the person responsible for paying the taxes may obtain the property back if they pay back taxes. Other than that it is sold to the highest bidder. I will provide a link but you should really do your own research if you wish to debate a issue. This is from my home county every other county in Texas and other locals do basically the same thing.
http://www.dallascounty.org/department/pubworks/documents/ResalePolicy20120905.pdf

No what I am saying is I want everyone to pay for those not just landowners. In a around about way it is passed on to renters by higher rent prices. All citizens use public services so all should pay tax for that directly. A consumption tax on all things with the exception of basic food and medical services would replace the property tax with a more fair and humane system. Of course it is usually the poor and minorities that suffer but no biggie right? LOL, Somilia? Na, close I guess I left Texas for Arkansas. While I still "own" my house in Dallas I rent it to poor minorities that have to pay me twice what the mortgage would be on the house to live there. While I pay less than 1/5 of the amount for taxes on a house and 58 acres than I do for my house in the hood(Oak Cliff) in Dallas. I can adapt that does not make it fair however.

I will provide another link on the issue doubt you read it but you have the option.(I assume you will just make some more insults instead of a intelligent debate)
http://www.texaspolicy.com/sites/default/files/documents/2012-08-taxswap-laffer-update_0.pdf

 

I am not conservative sorry if that interferes with your preferred method of debate. Another link since you seem adverse to goggle. Another point of view on the unfairness of property taxes from the bright red state of Minnesota. Wait never mind here is the quote.
http://www.austindailyherald.com/20...es-could-drop-for-the-first-time-in-a-decade/

Yes the Govenor is such a bastion of conservatism.

 

As an engineer, the Mayor wouldn't want any one of those idiots 9-11 Truthers building their own buildings, unless, of course, ONLY 9-11 Truthers will go in it or be near it when it falls down.

The purpose of building codes is to protect the public from amateur builders who are stupid and ignorant, and from corrupt builders trying to save bucks with shoddy design and workmanship. The damage to the town of Home, Florida would have been less if the builders had been held to the local building codes. Fewer roofs would have blown off.

Some parts of building codes are absurd, of course. Let Al Gore buy a 1oz per flush toilet, he's probably the only one that likes his (*)(*)(*)(*). Everyone else wants the stuff to go away....everyone else wants Al Gore to go away, too.

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What about the wino sleeping against the alley wall? Building collapse, Obama loses a voter.

 

Not when property owners run crying to the government for help after a hurricane.

 

I would've never guessed you voted for Obama!

 

Especially considering the fact that we sell our properties to other people and they may not appreciate the novel ways we come up with to save money when wiring those home projects or the way we may think that pressure relief valves are for sissies.

 

I do not consider them to be a violation of property rights.

 

Having done some property inspections for insurance companies, there is a need for codes. I've found some really inventive ways to circumvent them, posing all kinds of potential hazards to the next occupant. However, permit fees are something else. It cost me $100.00 for a permit and $250.00 for the required engineering drawing, to put up a 50' long by 6' high fence. I did save on the construction by having the local high school trades program do it. Nice job, too.
Enjoy!

 

Just like laws about theft take away my freedom to take any car I see for a ride....

 

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All rights are circumscribed by the rights of others. Only young children can be excused for selfish absolutism.

There is an inherent tension between the rights of the individual and the rights of the community as reasonable accommodation is sought.

The individual has the option of removing himself from the community if he is unsatisfied with the necessary compromises.

The community does not enjoy a comparable privilege of removing itself from the individual.

Even the most ideologically hidebound libertarian would quickly become a latitudinarian regarding zoning restrictions if his posh home, in the absence of zoning laws, were suddenly confronted with the prospect of pig farms as new neighbours.

"Wake up and smell the swine," is a surefire exhortation to get real.

 

No, because that is somebody else's property, not your property. The building is your property and not the governments.

I am not saying no building codes are a good thing but I am saying that building codes are a violation of property rights. I am not saying it is good but I am saying that it is the truth.

 

Property rights are a construct of government.
And they are collective as well as individual.
You may own the house next to mine, but I have a right to demand that you not endanger me with shoddy construction, it goes beyond just you, your property is in a community, the community has a right to mitigate fire hazards, public health hazards and more.