Do you consider building codes to be a violation of property rights?

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Do you consider building codes to be a violation of property rights?

  1. yes

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    21.6%
  2. no

    29 vote(s)
    78.4%
  1. Double L

    Double L Member

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    No, property rights are the construct of the economy, those who make and buy property are in charge of that property. A public park is collective, private property is not, which is why you are not allowed to trespass it. I believe building codes should be used to enforce public safety but no more.
     
  2. goober

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    OK, great, go build a tree house and live there.
    But don't put up a firetrap in my neighborhood, what is it with you right wingers? Have you no sense of belonging to a community?
    Are you all suffering from being ignored by your mother or some other psycho-trauma?
    If you own land in a community, the community has a say in what you do, you don't see the truth in that?
     
  3. Double L

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    No, the community has absolutely no say in what I do and individual aspiration for a better life will inspire me to live in a place much better than a tree house. Can't say the same if the government tries to control where I live. Since they aren't me, they have no incentive to provide me with a decent place to live.
     
  4. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The county I live in is in east Wash state and is very conservative. We have an owner builder exemption and since I built my own house it worked for me. If you live out of site of a public road, build at least 100 feet from your prop line and if you build it yourself there are no building codes, no permits, no inspections. I love it!
     
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    Yes, I do.
     
  6. wyly

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    I am a renovator, I was recently called in to look at a home reno that I initially turned down because I wouldn't agree to the owners construction timeline...the general contractor who took on the job has questionable construction standards, some frightening electrical work had been uncovered in the renovation, massively overloaded circuits, numerous hidden/buried junction boxes and spliced wires buried throughout an earlier renovation, it was fire waiting to happen...the General who should've known better was obligated to inform the homeowner and resolve the problems ...that standard of electrical work would've never passed an electrical inspection, and the contractors electrician was doing nothing to remediate the defects, not only did he enhance the defective wiring he informed the owner since it was already in place it was now legal!..that was a lie, anything once exposed must be resolved and brought up to code, the electrical contractor was obviously working without a permit...I told the owner to fire the electrician and I would bring in my own electrical contractor and bring the electrical to above minimum code... now I have control of the project the previous electrical has all been stripped away and replaced and the owner can sleep better at night knowing his family is safe from electrical fires...sure it cost him $7K more than he intended to spend but what price do you put on your families lives?
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    and you have no idea if your home is safe or not...you have no idea if any contractor working on your home is taking shortcuts and endangering your family or the substantial investment you have put into your home...you may think you do but you don't, a good general contractor knows a lot about home standards but even they can't know everything and rely on professional/competent sub contractors to inform them of any deficiency and follow all proper construction safety practices...
     
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    Nature and even our solar system is subject to laws or codes for things to function as they do in support of life. So building codes and zoning regulations are not adverse or foreign to nature or to natures God or the earth upon which we live. Consequently, I see no philosophical or conscientious foundation for the rejection of building codes which for the most part are the collective wisdom of thousands of years of craftsmen and scientists.
     
  9. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't read my post very well. I said I built my house myself. That is the whole point of the OWNER BUILDER exemption. Contractors can't do anything, you have to build the entire house yourself.
     

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