Don’t weep for Sweden; it is now one of least infected countries

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    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    For a long time now, I have felt that despite apparently getting hit fairly hard by Covid 19, Sweden took the right approach for the long term. I believe the article linked to below corroborates this. They didn't have a single day of lockdown, though they did limit the size of crowds and encourage people to work from home, assuming they could. The article is from the Manila Times, in the Phillipines. Apparently, one has to go a bit far afield to hear views from a mainstream media source that don't parrot the common routine of lockdowns being good, but I'll take what I can get. Below is a short excerpt from the introduction to the article:

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    Some readers will be incensed with me for venturing to write again about Sweden’s remarkable record against the coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-9) pandemic without locking down its economy for even a single day.

    They get livid because they have been deluded by group-think about the imperative for every country to impose an economic lockdown. They are offended by Sweden’s defiance and believe the country should suffer for it.

    Far from suffering, however, Sweden has been harvesting lately a lot of good news and benefits for its policy independence.

    Many media organizations persist in portraying Sweden as a colossal failure because of its no-lockdown policy.

    On my part, after considerable research, I became a fan of Sweden‘s approach because I thought it made a lot of sense and I thought a lockdown policy would be devastating for a lot of countries, including the Philippines.
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    Full article: https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/09...s-now-one-of-least-infected-countries/766006/

    Talk radio host and journalist Kim Iversen, a serious youtube journalist, has also done a video log of the issue today:
     
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    The Swedish experience proves the wisdom of the old saying "When everybody is thinking the same, nobody is thinking."

    Of course the other side of the coin is that this was planned, it is a staged event. Possibly Sweden was not involved in the scam.

    Good analysis by Kim Iversen.
     
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    Sweden took the long term approach and didn't panic. Generally that is the best policy.
     
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    In terms of Covid 19 being a staged event, I think there can be some truth in this, but the real question becomes, who is doing the staging and who is just being manipulated into following the desired script? Sweden was lucky to have Anders Tegnell, who strikes me as a very courageous State/Chief Epidemiologist. What I really like about him is that not only has he shown courage in doing what he thought was best, but what he thought was best was trusting his own people to make the best call. Furthermore, he has been public about his own doubts as to his tactics. However, even in his doubts, he has still made it quite clear that he felt that the rest of the world was going too harsh. Here's an excerpt of what he said in an interview with Swedish Radio.:


    "If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"

    I'm not sure when that interview took place, but the article I found it in was published on June 3rd, so I'll take it that it happened around that time. I also note that even when expressing his doubts, he was still essentially saying that the rest of the world took measures that were too harsh. Furthermore, it seems that he said this in Sweden's most trying month, June. On June 3rd, Swedish Covid 19 cases reached over 1000 cases per day and they continued to have new daily cases above the 1000 cases per day mark until June 26th, with new case count of 1,206. However, after June 26th, their new cases per day plummeted, going all the way down to 755. July 8th was the last time they saw cases over 500 cases per day. Here's their daily new cases graph from worldometers.info:
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    Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


    Perhaps even more impressive is the abrupt fall in their daily death rate. That actually peaked out in early April. Since then, it has fallen fairly abruptly. By May 1st, they only had 78 deaths. By June 1st, they only had 40. By July 1st, 17 and by the end of July, the daily death rate had gotten to 6 or less, where it has remained ever since. Here's the graph that I've been referencing from worldometers.info:
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    Why is this never reported in the media?

    All of this strongly suggests that Sweden got it right- they focused more attention on those who were most vulnerable and let strong healthy people remain productive parts of the economy.
     
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    First, Sweden ceased to exist a long time ago and has been Swedistan for many years. How we know? Certain well-informed people on this board told us countless times (so we can assume it's true).
    Second, I have read in the so-called mainstream media about Sweden's approach many times. If one claims the so-called msm wouldn't report this, one probably isn't really interested in informing oneself or one needs to find better sources.
     
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    I never said that Sweden hasn't been reported in the media- far from it. However, the media has generally portrayed Sweden as making the wrong choice. Why is no one reporting how both their cases and daily death rate have plummeted?
     
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    I think I saw the complete plandemic video, think I haven't seen the whole of the second one yet. I definitely agree that the idea that there was planning for this is there, but the question of who did the planning and who was simply led along is still one that I am not sure about. Peer pressure is a very strong thing and it takes people with exceptional courage to buck this.
     
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    If "no one" or "the media" is referring to American media, that might be correct. I don't live there. I have read more than once about Sweden's approach, their economic situation and the death rates.
    Btw, I didn't say that you claimed Sweden hadn't been reported in the media.
    I said I had heard and read about Sweden's approach many times.
     
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    Ya know which countries are doing as well or better thanSweden?

    Their neighbors Denmark, Norway, and Finland

    And with a Fraction of the deaths and similar economic damage
     
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    Ok. I don't live in the U.S. either, I live in Canada, but generally, the reporting of Sweden's approach has been negative here as well. I find it highly suspicious that the media seems to be ignoring the fact that Sweden's death rate and even case rate has gone down so drastically. It's almost as if the corporate media was invested in downplaying Sweden's success. What do you think?
     
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    I fully agree that those 3 countries apparently suffered a lot less deaths per million than Sweden. I don't know why that is. However, there are 12 countries that have higher recorded deaths per capita even though at least some of them engaged in draconian lockdowns. No one seems to be questioning why that is. Here's the graphs of the top 13 countries, plus the world average for comparison:
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    It can be hard to see in that jumble, so I've separated out Sweden's graph and left only the World average as a way to compare:
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    Notice the smooth diminishing slope that's now doing better than the world average. Seems like herd immunity may have done the trick.
     
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    I decided to do another graph, this one just comparing a few notable first world countries that have been hit hard by Covid 19: England, the United States and Sweden. For whatever reason, England and Sweden seem to track fairly closely. For the U.S., however, they just can't seem to catch a break- the slope has clearly gotten steeper as time has progress and they have now surpassed Sweden in terms of deaths per million. Now, I don't know why that is, but they certainly engaged in more lockdowns than Sweden, so you'd think they'd be doing better if lockdowns were truly the cat's meow...
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    I do. They locked down hard. They mitigated.

    Sweden has FINALLY done so...mostly voluntarily because all those deaths ascared the crap out of them
     
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    Or South Korea

    22,000 infections and 350 dead
     
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    The U.K. locked down hard too, but they actually fared worse than Sweden. Meanwhile, the U.S. has certainly had some lockdowns but they are now doing worse. Perhaps the U.S. could have fared better if they'd let Americans decide what they would prefer to do as they did in Sweden? Also, a lockdown is mandatory, not some people deciding to stay at home. I've also not heard of Swedes being so afraid now. And why should they be? They're not getting over 6 deaths a day from Covid now. Interestingly, neighbours like Finland are now getting a second wave of cases:
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    Perhaps a necessary consequence of lockdowns, as it may stunt herd immunity?
     
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    Denmark has an even more pronounced second wave of cases:
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    Norway also has a second wave, though more like Finland than Denmark:
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    Hurrah for Sweden! A sensible approach, absent of the fear constantly promoted by our media!
     
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    The UK did NOT "lock down hard initially...and they had massive death and infection because of it
     
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    Sweden has been AVERAGING around 200 infections per day for months now
     
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    Sweden is not part of mainland Europe hence why they were never hit as severely as mainland Europe (one bridge between Sweden and mainland Europe). The low infection numbers of Norway, Finland and Denmark protected Sweden
     
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    UK did not lockdown hard. The UK initially went with the herd immunity approach which was disastrous
     
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    if you mean the USA media, it's an election year and Democrats must win. Truth would only hurt the chances for Democrats.
     
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