Don’t weep for Sweden; it is now one of least infected countries

Sweden trails only Spain in Europe for per capita deaths NOW.

On a side note, remember when you scoffed at the idea of Texas deaths reaching 13000 or more in Aug? How'd that work out?

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

 

While we have gotten better at treating it, we're still losing basically 1K/day. Which is about ten times what it ought to be.

 

I dare say they are coming out mentally and socially happier than most other countries, and their overall physical health didn't suffer much harm relative to "lockdown" countries. They did voluntarily change behavior rather than compliance-by-force, which is big for mental health. Leaving jobs, schools, bars/restaurants open, but with social distancing, allowed for more natural and normal social interaction.

 

You say that, but I still haven't seen the evidence for it.

 

~ Yes indeed. Sweden has much smaller , more responsible and intelligent government than many other countries. They do not believe in dumbing down the populace to justify their existence. They actually think ...
I hope they never change .

 

First of all, what country are you talking about?

 

"all sorts of infections"?

WTF are you talking about? We're talking about COVID infections

And Sweden is and has been showing more infections than their neighbors for months...Sweden has been an abject failure here

 

The U.S. is the third most populous country in the world. To suggest that we should only have 100 deaths per day from a novel virus across the entire country is ludicrous.

 

Got it JT, you are an advocate for the nanny state.

 

~ The Swedish do not think they are failures. They are actually a happy society.
Are you "projecting" again ..❓

 

I just came on an article published today by Global Research. It's actually a summary of 2 video interviews they did with 2 top Swedish experts. Some notable excerpts:
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Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

• UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
• The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
• This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
• The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
• The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
• The paper was very much too pessimistic
• Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
• The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
• The results will eventually be similar for all countries
• Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
• The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
• At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available

In just a few short months Anders Tegnell, architect of Sweden’s unique response to the Covid-19 pandemic, has gone from unknown physician and technocrat to a household celebrity in Sweden and in countries around the world. He is beloved by some (people have even had tattoos made with his face) and intensely disliked by others. Today he is suntanned and relaxed, having just returned from his summer holiday, and wearing an open-necked polo shirt. Here is a summary of what he said:

• In terms of migrants, travel and urban areas Sweden is more similar to the Netherlands and the UK than Norway or Finland
• Lockdown may have made a difference, but closing schools and people being out of work is also bad for public health
• Numbers of new infections arriving at the same time seems to make a big difference, so Stockholm half-term travellers to the Alps a big factor for Stockholm epidemic
• Eradication is not an option, ‘we have to learn to live with this disease’
• Evidence for masks still very weak, and they may yet be counterproductive. With all the trends going sharply down, it would make no sense to introduce them now
• Additional immunity such as T cells playing a substantial role in slowing spread
• ‘what we see right now is a rapid fall in the number of cases, and of course some kind of immunity has to be involved in that as nothing else has changed.’
• Sweden will be better placed than other countries to limit further waves and outbreaks because of higher immunity
• IFR of Covid-19 in final account will be 0.1% to 0.5% “and that is not radically different to what we see with the yearly flu”

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Source:
Video: Why Lockdowns Are the Wrong Policy. Sweden’s Covid-19 Strategy

 

We have to give it a full year. We'll be "comparing notes" more accurately in Spring of 2021 when we have a year of 20-20 hindsight.

 

I don't think the population argument is a strong one compared to the world (look at China).

Americans are headstrong and freedom-loving. Probably the biggest stand-out factor when comparing Covid numbers to other Western Countries (Ignoring Trump/politics for a second).

 

Yes, we are talking about Covid 19 infections, but Covid 19 isn't the only thing that infects and even kills people. I think society at large has placed way too much emphasis on the fact that infections can be spread by close contact with others and not nearly enough on the fact that those with a strong immune system have little to fear from getting a mild or even asymptomatic case. Most people don't go into a panic if someone gets the flu, but we are doing just that when someone gets Covid 19. It is my hope that we can all learn from Sweden's approach- no one can say that they weren't hit hard, at least if the tests are in any way accurate, but their approach has left their economy fairly functional. I think the root causes of Covid 19 and the general state of unwellness in the western world has remained unchanged- toxins in our air, food and water as well as very high stress levels for those who aren't part of the wealthy elite. So long as that remains the same, people will be susceptible to diseases like Covid 19. The way things are going, I think they'll become increasingly susceptible to them. This will be great news for pharmaceutical companies as they rake in the bucks for their questionable (at best) vaccines and their pills for every ill, but it won't be so great for those on the receiving end of these "cures", as well as the bill to pay for it all.

 

Yes, you compared Sweden, Spain, and Europe in your previous post.

I didn't count on the numbers of infected Mexican nationals who would cross into Texas for medical care. California had a similar phenomenon with their spike.

Texas is still doing pretty well. We're the 2nd most populous state and are ranked 19th in the country for deaths per million. Both cases and deaths are on the decline and our shut downs were less severe than most states. Only bars are still closed.

 

His ruling is that the actions of Gov. Wolf were unconstitutional.

Rationalize as you need to, but that is what the court ruled.

The ruling is a dagger in the heart of the official narrative and response. The government has no authority to tell the citizen what he may or must eat or wear.

The Constitution does not become irrelevant during flu season.

 

There is another factor as well- how accurate are the death counts. I'm generally -not- a fan of Fox News, but a small publication pointed out a Fox News clip that is worth repeating:
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Last night Senator Dr. Scott Jensen from Minnesota went on The Ingraham Angle to discuss how the AMA is encouraging American doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the US.

This was after Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator, told a local station he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.


Dr. Jensen also disclosed that hospitals are paid more if they list patients with a COVID-19 diagnosis.
And hospitals get paid THREE TIMES AS MUCH if the patient then goes on a ventilator.

"Senator Dr. Scott Jensen: Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do."


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Source: https://thespectator.info/2020/04/0...much-if-the-patient-goes-on-ventilator-video/

 

It doesn't matter what the intentions of the violators were. Good intentions DO NOT forgive unconstitutional actions. The governors have violated numerous parts of the Constitution, and it doesn't matter what their intentions were.

 

You can't seriously take China's numbers with any credibility after they colluded with the WHO to hide information from the world for four months or more.

"Other western countries" have varying degrees of lockdowns, successes and failures very similar to U.S. states as sovereign units.

 

~ This is why we watch FOX . OAN is also a good source of information unavailable on network news.

 

I lost faith in the U.S. numbers in April, when Dr. Birx flat out said that we are counting deaths as Covid, even if Covid was not the primary cause of death.



I'm expecting a "very mild flu/pneumonia deaths" winter with a relatively high number of "Covid deaths". That may change if Biden wins versus Trump getting re-elected, and we have an establishment globalist insider back in the White House. They'll explain the low number of flu deaths as the change in practice to social distancing and mask wearing. Overall, I think we will see a mild flu/pneumonia/Covid season due to those changes, but expect the tilt in the death certificates to lean heavily toward "probable Covid death" versus others.

 

ie he can do it just not the way he did it.

And yes, the government can and did restrict what you eat and wear and that was left in place.

 

~ These "experts " the U.S. depends on are more political than scientist. The chief of the CDC is another goof . No wonder people are so screwed up. They should all be transferred to WHO and completely ignored.

 

Would you be interested in citing that part of the US Constitution that empowers the government to tell the citizen what clothing he must wear or what substances he may or may not ingest?