Early PF poll

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by gringo, Jan 24, 2024.

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if the election were tommorrow..who has your vote??

  1. Trump

    20 vote(s)
    48.8%
  2. Biden

    21 vote(s)
    51.2%
  1. conservaliberal

    conservaliberal Well-Known Member

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    I would 'hold my nose', puke, and hate myself the next morning -- but -- between those two, I'd have to vote for Trump, even though I wouldn't like it one damned bit.

    Consider: if you vote for Biden, all you're really doing is giving Biden's 'woke', America-hating HANDLERS complete power for the next four years. At this point, Biden himself is nothing but a mindless animatronic 'wind-up' toy -- a rubber stamp for his woke handlers who tell him everything to say and do (except for when he starts making up incoherent crap on his own).

    I greatly dislike Trump's position on several aspects of the economy, and his "wall" is, as far as I'm concerned, a laughable failure. But at least the man is in possession of his own mind, even if I disagree with him about 40% of the time, and I don't like his reckless, arrogant manner of conducting himself at all.

    In short, this upcoming election is going to be nausea and sheer horror if it's really going to be Biden versus Trump! Where the hell is Joe Manchin? Where the hell is RFK, Jr.? Where the hell is SOMEBODY ELSE?!
     
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  2. JohnHamilton

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    Nice try!

    We all stay home and Biden gets elected. We are not that stupid.

    The nomination of Trump is now inevitable unless he as a major medical emergency. I'll have to hold my nose and vote for him. There's no choice given what your party has for us.

    In 2028, when Trump is gone, you'll have another excuse to vote Democrat even though they will have take the country down the toilet.

    Hard core guys like you would crawl on your belly naked across crushed glass to vote Democrat. I get it. I would do the same to keep clowns like Biden, Newsom, Mrs. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Whitmer out of office. They are hypocrites who want capitalism and limitless power and money for themselves and socialism for the masses. They are toxic.
     
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  3. Endeavor

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    You are right, people like me “would crawl on your belly naked across crushed glass to vote Democrat”. We will vote for Biden, we will vote for Newsom, we will vote for Whitmer.

    But here is the thing, we are winning. You can call democrat communist, you can call Democrat socialist, you can call Biden senile who can’t remember name, you can call Newsom a disaster, none of that matters. DEMS are winning. American people voting and electing Democrats.

    GOP keep losing election after election. Partly because they nominate candidate like Mamat Oz or Herschel Walker or policy like “forcing rape victim to have baby”.

    You will hold you noise and vote for Trump, but that would not give Trump 270 EC. Because conservative/ lifelong republican women in Waukesha county ( outside Milwaukee , very conservative district) don’t want her 19 years old daughter force to give birth against her wishes because GOP policy is ‘pro-life”.

    You will hold you noise and vote for Trump , but the independent voter in Phoenix who agree with strong border but same time wants comprehensive immigration reform will not vote for Trump but vote for Biden. GOP will lose again in 2024.

    Here is the simple fact – your party needs complete makeover. I am not saying it has to be similar to DEMS, but policy that majority Americans wants. Right now majority Americans keep rejecting GOP policy and the candidate.

    At what point conservative says – we had enough losing, we need change our policy that majority American accept.
     
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    I admire your candor and I respect your forthright assessment of what the Republican Party has turned into over the years. Oh, to be sure, although I see Democrats as little more than scheming, America-hating slimebags who leverage dozens of welfare programs in order to get votes from an increasingly dependent, parasitic population, it must be admitted that Democrats are focused, disciplined, and doggedly intent on turning the United States into just another 'turd' floating in an internationalist Third World toilet, ruled over by totalitarian bureaucracies.

    What's the ultimate aim of these Democrat politicians? Re-read George Orwell's masterpiece, "1984"! It's all right there -- especially the portion that describes "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism"!

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism#Chapter_III

    The Republican Party will not change, @Endeavor ... it will die. And the Democrat cabal that takes over completely afterward will, for Americans who can remember a time when we used to be "great", be worse than death.... :skull:
     
  5. Endeavor

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    It seems like you remember a time when American was great.

    Can you tell me what time was it ? why America was so great back then?

    I for one think today America is at her best and tomorrow America will be even better.
     
  6. conservaliberal

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    Because you are obviously not one who remembers a time when America was "great", or is unlikely ever to admit that America ever was "great" at all, I realize the futility in trying to convince you that, yes, there was that time! And, I was lucky enough to have lived during it!

    As soon as I suggest that time period, you'll attack it immediately (this isn't my first 'rodeo'). But, in fairness, I will identify a time when I thought America was "great" if you will reply by telling us why you think America is at its "best" today, and what makes you think that America will be even better "tomorrow". Fair enough?

    The period I identify as being one in which America was "great" was during the two presidential terms of Ronald Reagan. Roughly, from January 1981 through the end of January 1989. I can list a number of reasons, including (but not limited to) the economy (THE ECONOMY!) and, the fall of the Soviet Union (largely caused by Reagan's wise policies)... but now it's your turn....
     
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    If that was what you were, you would not be voting for an authoritarian clown like Trump.

    Its weird they are telling that to you, and the rest of us never heard it.

    Who says you have to vote Dem, when you can vote for a conservative, like Haley. What is it about populism you like so much?
     
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    Well, here is the rodeo you have not been to – I thought 1981-1989 was a great time for America. We just ended a war and won against our biggest adversary. I don’t agree with Reagan on many things, but the man ended cold war. That alone put him on the list of top 10 US president.

    We had our challenge since then- 9/11 , three wars (war on terror , War in Afghanistan, and war in Iraq), financial crises in 2008, COVID-19, political division.

    But are you really saying life in 1985 was better then today? How?
     
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    Economy was ok. Inflation issue was worse then than now and Reagan tripled the national debt, but economy was ok. He was man about to admit the tax cuts went too far and caused damage, and he approved raising them again. The tax rates during his time were way higher than now. Trump cut taxes in order to offer a hand-out, and deficits shot up immediately.

    1990s economy was off the charts good though.

    Was America great? Sure. And its still great, and I won't let some political hack like Trump tell me otherwise.
     
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    I will vote for Haley if she’s still a candidate by the time of the Florida primary. Since it’s after Super Tuesday, she will have probably suspended her campaign. That leaves me with Trump on Election Day.

    As for the White privilege comment, you know the radical Democrats said that. Don’t play dumb.
     
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    By Q3, 1983, Reagan and Paul Volcker had virtually stopped COLD the inflation that had been ravaging our economy for almost a decade. Interest rates came way down from 20% to around 7% - 5/1/2%, and by 1985, the economy was strong, robust, and people who wanted to work and build careers had ample opportunity! Life was certainly a lot more affordable and safer for the country by 1985, and we no longer had to worry about the Russians barging across Germany all the way to the Rhine River or taking over all of Southern Asia. Reagan negotiated with Gorbachev at different levels and almost like magic, by the end of Reagan's second-term the Soviet Union was well on its way to being over-with.

    Americans were judged by their abilities, including education, experience, enthusiasm, and goals. The long Vietnam period, followed by the paralysis of the Nixon scandals, and the phony 'oil shortages' faded away and America was "great"! Did you not think so?

    Now, please tell us why you think everything is so "great" today? And, with a soaring national debt of over 32 Trillion Dollars, why do you think it looks any better in the future? Do you realize what's about to happen with U. S. Treasurys? Fewer investors are willing to buy them now, which means that inflation is going to take off again -- sharply! And what happens when we can't even make the interest payments on that national debt? Default!

    Very honestly, no matter who gets elected in November, the only thing coming that I see will be "great" for America in the future is PAIN. And it will be the fault of both Democrats and Republicans....
     
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    Economy today is far more robust and better , but the difference between 1985 and 2024 is that in 1985 people accepted economic data came out from Government, today have of the American believe job growth number are all “cooked up by deep” state.

    Americans are better judge today by their ability and education. The things you don’t like is along with ability and education each organization must have diversity.

    And about 32 trillion debt. Oh spare me the BS. Not interested about conservative “ balance the budget shi$$”. No one give a s$$$ because it means absolutely noting in real world.
     
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    Ok, now I understand... you aren't interested in having a discussion based in actual reality. You prefer, without reason, to dismiss whatever you dislike out of hand.

    Besides "diversity" arrived by use of any criteria other than measurable qualifications and resultant achievement is, uh, bullshit.

    Lastly, I never even mentioned 'balancing the budget'. I'm suggesting that if we don't stop this runaway, skyrocketing national debt that soon we won't even be able to pay interest due ON the damned debt. But go ahead living in your little imaginary world of mounting debts with zero consequences. The climax will be VERY entertaining....
     
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    I am interested to have serious debate.

    Tell me what part of US economy is worse today then it was in 1985?

    According to you in 1985 American were judge by their ability, education and experience. Has that changed today? People getting job for their ‘looks”?
     
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    If you don't know what I'm trying to tell you, then it's futile for me to go on. I would give anything if we could have the United States I knew in 1985 back into existence. We don't, and the irony here is that you don't even know what I'm talking about. So, live your life, enjoy what you think is the "best time" in America, and forget about my opinion.

    I will tell you this: as a result of what I was able to accomplish beginning in the time of Ronald Reagan's two terms as president -- several years after I had worked my own way through college -- I have been able to retire in relative wealth and comfort -- and, no, I didn't do it by 'playing the stock market' more than many more other factors. Make of that what you will.... And remember -- you are worth what you negotiate in a capitalist labor-market! Nothing more, and nothing less! If you bring useful skills, you earn more... and if you bring nothing, you earn NOTHING.
     
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    So you can’t tell me what was so great back then compare to today.
     
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    Evidently not to your satisfaction, and, I'm weary of trying to drive a nail into a solid slab of granite. So, like I said already, live your life and accomplish what you set for yourself as goals. If you think that today presents you with the 'best-of-all-possible-worlds' you should have a very easy time of it...! :banana: Good luck. I suspect someone with your, uh, perspicacity, will need all he can get....
     
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    You are right, America is already Great and this is the “ best of Time”.

    Not looking back!
     
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    Great success to you in your 'endeavor'! But consider spending more time making money and driving toward goal achievement, and less time bandying words with 'old farts' like me. I do this because, as a retired 'old fart', I have the time and leisure to do it. When I was working, however, I would never have spent any time messing with 'social media' at all! Aftr all, time is money! And believe this if nothing else -- when you retire someday, you'll need LOTS of it!

    :oldman:
    -- "Go get 'em, Tiger!"
     
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    Aha, I see where you pointing finger. I am spending so much time in “social media” during business hours, I must be those “lazy liberals” who lives on “government handout”.

    I am an Information Technology Infrastructure Architect with 25+ years’ experience. I work from home, and the companies I provide service, they really don’t care how many hours I spend working for them, they pay me by “Quality of Service” I provide them.

    But thank you for your wisdom. I will remember if I ever have to work again in fast food restaurant.
     
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    Ooh! Take it easy, Tiger! All I did was wish you every success and enduring prosperity.

    Now, even if you are a "lazy liberal" IT architect with oodles of experience, I'm happy for you. But always be mindful of the fact that the world is full of bright, younger minds who will outperform you the first chance they get. The 'art' of the thing is to make your piles of money first, retire, and then let the 'Young Turks' fight over your 'empire' after you leave it on YOUR own terms.... 8)
     
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    I could be wrong... I often am... but I am pretty sure that by July Biden will be replaced!?

    There is too much money and power on the line to allow Biden to again face off against Trump!
     

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