EU parliament votes for visa-free travel for Ukraine

I think mr Erdogan got a nasty fright from the uprising and that is why he responded with such oppression.

 

Pilot as in Luftwaffe, or don't know?

 

Well, there are a lot of ultra-right people in Germany, so I do not see anything unusual in that they do not want to see foreigners in their country. I think same states for France.

 

I do not think most of Ukranians can afford one-two times vacation in Europe. Even in Russia, which is in a better economic situation, holidays in the EU became a luxury,

do not

 

Germany can provide everything for themselves. They do not need Ukraine for that. Yet, all the food standarts in Ukraine are too low for the European market.

 

""Part"" of that oppression(!), if you will, was imposed by the patriots. However, I don't name that particular part as oppression for various reasons. As you know, the western MSM can make up stories in favor of globalist agenda which requires a media protection for those who work for them, like some journalists (for example Can Dundar, Akin Atalay, Aydin Engin), or some soldiers or high ranked military officers. At least 90% of them are proven that they are either agents of the EU who have been for real "oppression" -in its real meaning- against Kemalist soldiers, journalists, teachers, lawyers starting from 2007 till 2014 or separatist public officers working for PKK or FETO.

Speaking of "oppression", almost 10.000 Kemalists were imprisoned for "6 long years" by "made-up" allegations which were proven that all were perpetrated with the directions of ODCT (Office of Defense Cooperation Turkey), a very well known CIA base in Turkey. Many families were torn apart, many committed suicides, dozens were "poisoned" in prisons, tens were "assassinated"... All in the name of securing AKP rule because those Kemalists were seen by the CIA as "primary threat" to globalist agenda. After 2014, many CIA officers were blown and had to leave the country like Mr. Black of Gaziantep. You name the ones that you think they got oppressed, I'll tell you the answer if they are or not with all my honesty.

 

What's funny? Facts?

 

He was in the Luftwaffe but did fly bigger machines. Mostly Fokker and Junkers.

 

Well I know my friend in kharkiv can't, he was once in West Europe 5 yrs ago, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, czech, it was terribly expensive for him, and the red tape involved back then was almost hardly worth the hassle, hasn't been back since.

 

Focker as in FW190.....Junkers as in Stuka?

 

So? People say lots of things, that does not makes things automatically a reality. If it reforms in federation and stops the overwhelming ukrainization - it pretty much would be fine, even with a shιtty relations with RF. Problem being - does not seems like Poroshenko plans to change Ukraine's current course any time soon.

 

I said 'vacation', not 'vacation in europe'. As I said, it's a different economic zone. Wages are lower, prices are lower. But if we look at material wealth - it's pretty much doing fine.

 

I'm an American with German blood on my mother's side, so I've always wanted a prosperous and free Germany. I think Germans should disregard WW2 as something that happened, kick out Merkel and her Christian Democrats and become a Center-right country. Because it's obvious that the Christian Democrats and the Green Party see German security as second to loyalty to the EU(seeing Merkel's "romance" with Hollande. And Le Pen's right, it makes me SICK. If an American palled around like that with a foreign leader, we'd go nuts.)

Take Germany back, a very rich country with more history than just the second world war. Go Germans, go .

 

The green party might not even get 5% and fall out of parliament. Which i applaud. They are disgusting.

 

Presidential elections in 2019 for ukraine, well see, if he lasts!

 

I talk about a repetitive tendency of people arguing for destruction and despising foreigners.

Again, I can assume it comes from the anti-globalism mood rising, but that does not means that we now should act like people from medieval dark ages. Caring about good of own country does not means treating foreigners like animals. Especially because of politicians. They come and go - but nations remain.

 

German under Frau Merkel has never been that powerful , together with Obama they ruled the world. She decides over EU and entire continent. Germany has bad demography, so she fixed a million young people, Arabs do well in Germany, way better than Turks and Kurds, see the statistics...

 

Ok so don't visit.

 

Absolute rubbish. We want get rid of them. We have massive rise in crime and terrorism. Araba, turks ect are all same. Merkel lost massive in recent election. Now she wants deportations. She lost the trust of the people.

 

welcome Ukraine to the continent of Europe!!

 

Well the topic of this thread is that Ukranians now can go to Europe without visas. This assumes that they will travel there for vacations and spend their money there. This is purely a fantasy, as people in Ukraine do not have money to go to Europe for vacation. That is the point.

 

True, I think she will loose the next elections if she participates.

 

Learn geography. Ukraine territory is considered Europe for a long time Moreover, I have another "secret" for you. Russia until Urals is also Europe.

 

I believe that he meant welcome to the EU notvwelcome tonEurope.
Yes anyonecwith any common sense knows that Europe extends to the Urals.