Federal lawmakers seek to deregulate gun silencers

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  1. DoctorWho

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    Not really, we can still buy suppresors.
    At a higher price and longer wait.
     
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    Excellent post.
     
  3. Xenamnes

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    The only thing that will be demonstrated, is the lack of knowledge present on the part of yourself. The member Galileo has relayed the following information.

    It has been stated by yourself, time and time again, that it is absolutely impossible for a semi-automatic rifle to ever be discharged with the same rate of fire as a fully-automatic firearm, even when a slide fire stock is mounted on the rifle. We now have undeniable proof positive that Stephen Paddock utilized a slide fire stock on the AR-15 rifle that was used, thus allowing for a rate of fire that lead the uninformed to believe it was a genuine machine gun, when it was not even close to being such.

    It has been proven that your claims about the rate of fire are false. If they are made by yourself again, then it is a deliberate exercise in intellectual dishonesty.

    Furthermore, do not even try to claim that the slide fire stock is an illegal modification, or somehow changes a semi-automatic firearm into a fully-automatic firearm. The ATF has stated explicitly that such is not the case. And seeing as the claim has been made by yourself as to working for them, there is no way for yourself to dispute their decision and claim that they are incorrect. https://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf
     
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  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    One cannot help but wonder if the Las Vegas incident was deliberately orchestrated for the specific purpose of shutting down discussion on the legislation in question.

    The usage of suppressors is for the consideration of those around yourself.
     
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    I'd rather have someone in office that isn't totally stupid--to try to pass a pro-gun bill right now will cost us seats. And, no, Ryan has no challenge to his political future. He may lose the Speakership (and will be happy about it, if he's smart), but he's still going to remain a Congressman for a long time.
     
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    My suppressed SBR is more stable for follow on shots because of the heavier front end.
     
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    Is that you continue to demonstrate you know nothing of firearms, specifically full autos.
     
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    The firearms used in the Las Vegas incident were neither fully-automatic, nor were they illegally modified to operate in such a manner. Instead they were equipped with a slide fire stock, which was stated by yourself as being incapable of making a semi-automatic firearm discharge with a rate of fire similar to a fully-automatic firearm. It has been proven that such is not the case, and that the claims made by yourself to the contrary are false.

    Irrefutable evidence to the contrary of the position of yourself is possessed, and has been presented.
     
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    Link to the slide fire stock on the weapon he used?

    No it hasn’t. Bump fire sticks can not fire at same rate of fire as full autos.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-look-guns-used-las-vegas-shooters-hotel-room-163623120.html

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    That is a slide fire stock, which the ATF has ruled is not a machine gun, and does not convert a semi-automatic firearm into a machine gun through its use.

    Then there was absolutely no automatic fire at the Las Vegas incident yesterday, as the firearms used were completely unmodified semi-automatic rifles. All the reports about there being automatic fire at the scene were incorrect.
     
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    One gun, that looks like it MIGHT be a bump fire.


    If a bump fire stock was used, that would be correct. No automatic fire was used.

    If a bump fire was used, I would expect to see the ATF to classify them as illegal modifications going forward.
     
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    It is indeed a slide fire stock.

    Thus meaning you were intellectually dishonest about reports stating the individual illegally modified his firearms to operate in a full-auto capacity.

    The ATF has already determined that the slide fire stock is not illegal, and does not transform a semi-automatic firearm into a machine gun. This was determined during the administration of Barack Obama.

    Beyond such, to make such an argument is to admit that a semi-automatic firearm can indeed be discharged at a rate equal to that of a true machine gun, which has been stated by yourself as being absolutely impossible.
     
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    It is confirmed as fact.

    And as has been learned, they were false.

    Perhaps in theory, but ultimately they will not.

    All firearms, regardless of type or configuration, are dangerous. And as has been proven as fact, semi-automatic firearms can be operated with the same rate of fire as true machine guns.
     
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    Irrelevant. They were still the initial reports.



    You can in no way substantiate this.


    Nope. Semi autos can not fire with the same ratenof fire.
     
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    I asked you before, what determines the rate of fire, and asked you to consider your physic. You replied, indicating the auto sear if I recall correctly. That would be incorrect. Try again. See if you can figure why, for all practical purposes, bump fire can achieve as close a rate of fire.
     
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    And as has been proven, the initial reports were incorrect. No fully-automatic firearms, and no illegally modified firearms were used in the incident. Nothing more than normal, everyday semi-automatic rifles being discharged in a rapid manner that led everyone to believe they were machine guns.

    Nor can it be substantiated by yourself that the ATF will revisit the matter.

    It was proven in the Las Vegas incident that they indeed can. That is what everyone, literally everyone, including law enforcement, stated on the matter.
     
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    No, that is not incorrect. The auto sear is what enables full auto fire.
     
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    which is irrelevant to the topic.

    true. I simply stated my opinion that they may revisit it.

    no it wasn't, as a slide fire stock can not DUPLICATE the same rate of fire of a full auto counter part.
    no it isn't.
     
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    Try triggering off a gun in an enclosed space such as your home during a home-invasion. Are you going to stop and put on hearing protection before defending yourself? I'd much rather grab my defensive tool and be able to use it knowing that the first time I send a defensive round towards an intruder it's not going to burst my eardrums.
     
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    The question was, what controls the rate of fire; the question was not what enables it.
     
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    Every Sunday and Wednesday Evenings at an enclosed Gun Range ,,,, 9mm 147g aren't so loud as to burst eardrums

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    Exactly.
     
  24. DoctorWho

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    Yeah right.

    Tell that to My right ear that rings continually because of the countless times as a Police Officer and before, hearing protection could not be employed.

    Hey Mr Murderer, give me a few seconds to put on My hearing protection !!!!!
     
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    the sear controls the rate of fire.
     

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