Feminism and McCarthyism

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I am a feminist and do not label those who criticize misogynist.
     
  2. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Your premise is anecdotal. The nazi comparison is a false equivalency.
     
  3. ryobi

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    The Nazis were a politically correct supremacist hate movement in Germany. Feminists are a politically correct supremacist hate movement in the West.
     
  4. ryobi

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    Every liberal thinks they're a psychoanalyst. Why is that????

    A woman didn't hurt my feelings in a workplace environment.

    Next.

    I simply believe in equality regardless of gender and I'm not a fan of supremacist hate movements, including feminists, including the KKK.
     
  5. robini123

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    Anecdotal. Do you have a link to statistically significant data to back your premise? If not all you have is opinion. A vocal few do not represent the many, to believe otherwise is illogical by my measure of logic.
     
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    “Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.”

    Does this explain why feminist organizations have not condemned the new slave girl markets in Mosul.

    Or did I just miss their loud expressions of outrage?
     
  7. robini123

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    Anecdotal. Do you have statistically significant data to back your claim? So far all you have presented is anecdotes.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    False equivalency. The extreme does not represent the whole. All you have are anecdotes. I condemn all extremists.
     
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    Not responsive.
     
  10. ryobi

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    If I had the best scientific study in the world showing that feminism is a supremacist hate movement you'd still reject it.

    You know how I know???? Because there is a study that is one of the best studies in the world that is so good it doesn't even have confidence intervals because it's sample is its population that shows the wage gap is the result of choice, not discrimination and feminist still continue to claim there's a 22% wage gap that's the result of discrimination.Feminists make this claim in the complete absence of evidence, in the presence of contradictory evidence, the contradictory evidence is the study I mentioned,that is so good it doesn't even have confidence intervals because it's sample is the entire population.
     
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    So these are extremists: a supreme court justice, another who’s the editor of Ms. Magazine, a former congress women, an advisoress to Al Gores presidential campaign, Authors, and a feminist dictionary.


    "All men are rapists and that's all they are"
    — Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

    "I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
    — Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman

    "Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it 'Her'. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination."
    — Andrea Dworkin, "Pornography: Men Possessing Women"

    "As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
    — Marilyn French

    "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
    — Robin Morgan, "Ms. Magazine" Editor

    "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
    — Andrea Dworkin

    "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."
    — Catherine MacKinnon

    "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."
    — Susan Griffin, "Rape: The All-American Crime"

    In a speech in Banff, Canada, Andrea Dworkin exhorted her audience to "stop men who beat women", "Get them jailed or get them killed. ... When the law fails us, we cannot fail each other."

    "Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact."
    — Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood

    "Women have their faults. Men have only two: everything they say, and everything they do."
    — graffiti frequently found on university campuses with active feminist movements



    From 'A feminist Dictionary', edited by Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

    MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

    MAN:...an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched...a contradictory baby-man...

    TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from "testosterone poisoning."
    Sonia Sotomayor: Supreme Court Justice
    "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
     
  12. ryobi

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    More anecdotes right.

    How many people did the KKK lynch before the lynchings weren't considered, "anecdotes," and the KKK was considered a supremacist hate group???
     
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    This video shows dozens of feminists sexually and physically assaulting peaceful passive men while thousands of feminists cheer them on, thousands of Anecdotes-right.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU8xjYcAZRw
     
  14. robini123

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    Spoken from a position of ignorance. I would allow the evidence to lead me to the conclusion and as of yet you have not given me anything other than ancidotal evidence.

    Yet you link no source.
     
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    So, you had to go to Argentina and you have NOTHING to show what the demonstration was actually about.

    Unfortunately, here and abroad we have seen serious civil rights issues go unaddressed until there are demonstrations or other types of overt action taken. We've seen that with blacks and other races, women, with LGBT rights, with worker rights of pay and working conditions, etc.

    The thing is, our constitution was written to explicitly require equality. Unfortunately, the majority does not always watch out for equal treatment of minorities.

    If they did, THEN you might have a complaint. Until then, you do not.
     
  16. ryobi

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    If you make a good point, feminists will ignore it. They can get away with that because their movement is politically correct.
     
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    The few do not represent the whole. Still waiting for a statistically significant study that shows that most or all feminists are as you describe. My issue is with your generalizations, false equivalency, and ancidotal evidence. Indeed there are extremists in feminism, I argue they are the exception while you argue that they are the rule.

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    False equivalency.
     
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    No, I am still waiting for you to make a good point. A good point would be a statistically significant study of feminism and its range of views, so far all you have are false equivalency and anecdotal evidence.
     
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    Feminists at the website Jezebel encouraging women to assault their boyfriends and husbands


    Psychiatry News has a piece out this month about how men shouldn't be overlooked as victims of domestic violence, saying that:


    Women are doing virtually everything these days that men are—working as doctors, lawyers, and rocket scientists; flying helicopters in combat; riding horses in the Kentucky Derby. And physically assaulting their spouses or partners.

    According to a study of relationships that engage in nonreciprocal violence, a whopping 70% are perpetrated by women. So basically that means that girls are beating up their BFs and husbands and the dudes aren't fighting back. With Amy Winehouse busting open a can of whupass on her husband last week, we decided to conduct an informal survey of the Jezebels to see who's gotten violent with their men. After reviewing the answers, let's just say that it'd be wise to never ever (*)(*)(*)(*) with us.



    One Jezebel got into it with a dude while they were breaking up, while another Jez went nuts on her guy and began violently shoving him. One of your editors heard her boyfriend flirting on the phone with another girl, so she slapped the phone out of his hands and hit him in the face and neck... "partially open handed." Another editor slapped a guy when "he told me he thought he had breast cancer." (Okay, that one made us laugh really hard.) And lastly, one Jez punched a steady in the face and broke his glasses. He had discovered a sex story she was writing about another dude on her laptop, so he picked it up and threw it. And that's when she socked him. He was, uh, totally asking for it.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Golly...a woman beating up on a man. That guy needs to grow a set, maybe he should join the thousands of men that beat on and rape women every year to enact revenge.
     
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    Ok you asked for a study. Here's a study. Why is women 's domestic violence denied by feminists if feminism is an equality movement??? Why is woman's domestic violence threatening to feminists if feminism is an equality movement??? Shouldn't an equality movement care about violence rather than denying it exists????

    Hit like a Girl:
    Women Who Batter Their Partners
    Theresa Porter

    Abstract
    Domestic violence by women represents a blind spot for western society. Since 1977, multiple
    large scale international studies have demonstrated the women can and do beat, batter and murder
    their male and female intimate partners at a rate equal to or higher than that of man, yet this issue
    is not simply ignored but denied by society at large. Women’s use of domestic violence is
    misrepresented by the media and denied by feminists
    , both of whom find the topic threatening.
    Despite this gender symmetry in domestic violence, media representations display male
    perpetrators 10 times more often than they display female perpetrators and when it is displayed, it
    is usually shown as humorous. For the media and the society it caters to, domestically violent
    women represent a failure of social control; women are not behaving in the expected manner. For
    feminists, domestically violent women threaten the victim paradigm upon which much of Second
    Wave feminist was based.
    This paper will examine the prevalence of domestic violence by women
    against their intimate partners, explore the societal myths and gender dogma that both hides and
    perpetuates this form of violence by women.

    1. Introduction

    2. Denial and misrepresentation in research

    Yet if one were to ask most people, they would deny awareness of the extent of women’s
    domestic violence in western culture. This is in part due to the denial and misrepresentation of the
    issue by several groups, including Second Generation feminists
    , researchers and the media.
    The discourse on gender symmetry in intimate partner violence by Second Generation
    feminists often involves claims that women’s violence is less injurious than men’s violence, as if
    this is a relevant issue. No one should be subjected to abuse, regardless of their physical strength.
    This argument also ignores the women victims in violent lesbian relationships, where the
    difference in body strength can be supposed to be less pronounced. Finally, it is important to recall
    that women compensate for any discrepancy in size by using weapons more often than do men12.


    3. Denial and misrepresentation in media and society

    4. Consequences

    [...] Ultimately, all violence is complex and multi-determined with individual, social and cultural
    factors47. Women’s intimate partner violence occurs in the context of a significant double standard
    about violence and gender, with women’s violence seen as funny or unimportant, or simply not
    seen at all. It is somehow always circumstantial and beyond women’s control. It is time to move
    beyond simplistic, dichotomous thinking and biased research and recognize all types of intimate
    violence in order to stop it
     
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    I'm pretty sure promoting violence is against the terms of service of this sites hosting company, it's internet service provider, and most likely the company that made the software this forum is based on.

    Any of which could shut this site down for violating the terms of service.

    So, regardless of what you choose to do in your personal life, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't promote violence on this site.

    Thank You
     
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    Your insincere critique and sarcastic play aside, if your opinion of what the site was doing is remotely valid...every news site on the internet should be closed for promoting terrorism if they so much as mentioned ISIS this year.
     
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    More Anectdotes. How many anecdotes does it take before it shows there's a trend????


    Twitter feminists Women calling for male genocide, https://twitter.com/search?q=#killallmen&src=hash




    Feminists encouraging women to beat their boyfriends and husbands
    http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-e...uh-we-have/all



    Warren Farell protest
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0&safe=active



    Feminists violently attacking Argentinian Cathedral
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUb9Yb2ucZI



    Violent feminists sending death threats to doubletree hilton for Men's Issues Awareness conference
    http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-...cheming-liars/
     

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